Herbicide for Pasture

[joebuck]

Is there a herbicide i can have co-op spray on the pasture for ragweed and thistles while the cattle are still on the pasture and not hurt them and won't kill the clover.

Thanks,

JoeBuck

 

[joebuck]

Is there a herbicide i can have co-op spray on the pasture for ragweed and thistles while the cattle are still on the pasture and not hurt them and won't kill the clover.

Thanks,

JoeBuck

I guess no one knows of any.

 

[M.Magis]

I guess no one knows of any.

You would have to talk to your co-op. Yes, there are herbicides that will do what you want, but there are tons of variables. Timing is crucial for certain weeds, and regulations vary from state to state. Personally, I would just go with normal 2,4D Ester. It's labeled to kill clover, but I've never seen that actually happen. 2,4DB is designed for broadleaf weeds but safe for legumes, but it's way more expensive. For me, the cost isn't worth it.

 

[bird dog]

There is a new product from Corteva called Novagraz that supposedly will protect white clover. I think that is the only clover that it will protect though. Good luck.

 

[ClinchValley86]

24db (Burtyrac or something) is geared towards not affecting the legumes. Didn't kill much for me but that was likely operator error.

in my mind regular ol 24d iss what I'd use. Clover might bounce back just fine. Might not too though.

Another train of thought is those weeds are opportunists and are serving a function. Some grazing management if possible, will aid in their removal as well. Ragweed grows in certain soil conditions. It can easily be out-competed with a thick stand of grass and legumes.

The thistle is performing a job for the soil as well. It's root goes deep and brings stuff to the surface. Also helps break thru hard pans if I'm thinking right. It'll phase out too when it's job is finished and competition is there, for the most part.

Herbicide is a lot easier and faster

 

[coachg]

If the weeds are bad enough you may have to sacrifice the clover . Grazon is what we use . The clover will be back .

 

[cowman82]

i'd soil test, you probably have low ph

 

[Chuckie]

I do the same thing every year. 2,4 Db. It will not kill Bermuda, clover or alfalfa. It smokes creeping yellow buttercup, ragweed, hog weed. Weakens Horse nettle, but I need to find something that will smoke it and not kill my clover. Clover is free feed. High protein and helps the babies to grow off well.

 

[Chuckie]

On the 2,4 Db, I used 4 pints to the acre. Used a non iconic surfactant and drift control. Have a 200 gallon sprayer, used 5 gallons of 2,4 Db and it did a good job. Ran 5 mph and 30 psi on the spray rig pressure.

That sprayed 10 acres.

 

[Mark Reynolds]

@joebuck, where exactly are you in Southern Indiana? Victor Shelton in the town of Washington would be of considerable assistance to you. My guess is that you have annual ragweed problems, which will be corrected to a large extent by thickening up pastures. That will be a problem right now I'm guessing based on how dry it was there last fall/late summer. I don't know your thistle concerns. Canadian thistle? A pre-emergent herbicide should help the ragweed and not hurt the existing clover. The thistle is another matter if it's Canadian thistle.

 

[Silver]

@joebuck, where exactly are you in Southern Indiana? Victor Shelton in the town of Washington would be of considerable assistance to you. My guess is that you have annual ragweed problems, which will be corrected to a large extent by thickening up pastures. That will be a problem right now I'm guessing based on how dry it was there last fall/late summer. I don't know your thistle concerns. Canadian thistle? A pre-emergent herbicide should help the ragweed and not hurt the existing clover. The thistle is another matter if it's Canadian thistle.

There's no such thing as Canadian thistle

 

[Mark Reynolds]

There's no such thing as Canadian thistle

Haha. I meant no offense @Silver. I'll have to look up the scientific name or 'proper' name. Plants/weeds/trees have multiple common names. One of the most 'multi-named' species I know of is Liquidambar styraciflua, better known as sweet gum, red gum, star gum, blue gum, gum, liquidambar, American storax, hazel pine, bilsted, redgum, satin-walnut, star-leaved gum, alligatorwood, gumball tree, American gum, American sweetgum, and probably a few that I left out. In fairness, what should we call Cirsium arvense? (Yes, I looked it up) Creeping thistle, Field Thistle, Swamp Thistle, just 'thistle'? Unfortunately the scientific names are now starting to suffer/are suffering/have suffered from sort of the same fate common names do with the advent of DNA testing as the scientific names that aren't supposed to change are now being changed. 'Creeping thistle' has suffered this fate as well as it was named Carduus muticus and then Cirsium muticum.

 

[Silver]

Haha. I meant no offense @Silver. I'll have to look up the scientific name or 'proper' name. Plants/weeds/trees have multiple common names. One of the most 'multi-named' species I know of is Liquidambar styraciflua, better known as sweet gum, red gum, star gum, blue gum, gum, liquidambar, American storax, hazel pine, bilsted, redgum, satin-walnut, star-leaved gum, alligatorwood, gumball tree, American gum, American sweetgum, and probably a few that I left out. In fairness, what should we call Cirsium arvense? (Yes, I looked it up) Creeping thistle, Field Thistle, Swamp Thistle, just 'thistle'? Unfortunately the scientific names are now starting to suffer/are suffering/have suffered from sort of the same fate common names do with the advent of DNA testing as the scientific names that aren't supposed to change are now being changed. 'Creeping thistle' has suffered this fate as well as it was named Carduus muticus and then Cirsium muticum.

It's not nearly that complicated, and no reason for offense. It's Canada thistle. Much like there is no such thing a Canadian goose, rather they are a Canada goose or Canada geese.

 

[GoWyo]

It's not nearly that complicated, and no reason for offense. It's Canada thistle. Much like there is no such thing a Canadian goose, rather they are a Canada goose or Canada geese.

But if a Canada goose came from Canada then it's a Canadian Canada goose.

 

[Silver]

But if a Canada goose came from Canada then it's a Canadian Canada goose.

That's a very good point!