Graze On? never sprayed before..comments..new ground with millions of tree sprouts after bushhogging...some regular hay and pasture ground too

[greybeard]

RNW, it would help if you list what kind the 'millions of tree sprouts" are.

 

[greybeard]

Pre-emerge herbicides generally need to be incorporated (moved into the soil with lite tillage prior to planting row crops) or watered in at time of application with rain or irrigation. Not so practical with pastures. And pre-emerge means that it has to be applied prior to germination of the seed. So for annuals only and prior to warmup/germination. There are crabgrass pre-emergent herbicides for lawns (Barricade/prodiamine).

True but the same holds true for lots of pasture related work. Application of fertilizer especially N needs to be done when rain is in the near forecast. We don't broadcast winter ryegrass if drought is forecast to continue for weeks.. I never did anyway. No one uses a pre-emergent in hayfields??

 

[midTN_Brangusman]

In case any one is wondering the best way I have found to do ipt, it's women with kids on a sxs or atv. They are all looking for a flexible job where they can drop the kids off, work several hours, and pick the kids up. If they get a call one is sick they can go and no one freaks out. They ease around, take their time, and are very thorough. It's a win win.

Brute that has been my experience as well lol.

 

[SBMF 2015]

In case any one is wondering the best way I have found to do ipt, it's women with kids on a sxs or atv. They are all looking for a flexible job where they can drop the kids off, work several hours, and pick the kids up. If they get a call one is sick they can go and no one freaks out. They ease around, take their time, and are very thorough. It's a win win.

We do plenty of hand spraying, and it's one of the jobs no body else gets to do. I don't care how careful you are it's still nasty stuff. I've been covered more than once spraying trees and the wind shifts or suddenly gusts. I don't want anyone else around it.

 

[Brute 23]

We do plenty of hand spraying, and it's one of the jobs no body else gets to do. I don't care how careful you are it's still nasty stuff. I've been covered more than once spraying trees and the wind shifts or suddenly gusts. I don't want anyone else around it.

It can be. We are fortunate that with my background and a budget that allows it, any one who helps us gets every thing they need/ want as far as ppe and training on how to use it and why it's important. They are also not under pressure with scheduled hours or dead lines or any thing of that nature. At any point they can shut it down if they are not comfortable with the conditions and we will evaluate.

 

[RNW]

I have used grazon next to clear quite a bit a of country. I can't really speak to your area but can to kind of the general use and what we do. Most of your questions can be answered on the label. You may want to get more area specific advice as clover is not really a concern for me. I'm also not sure about the timing. I would generally spray in the spring. This is a little late.

We do not remove cattle when we spray, usually. If you have the ability it wouldn't hurt just why it's wet but I would not sweat it. It's just not feasible a lot of the time.

On a rough pasture that has gotten away I would do the max, 2 pints on the initial spray with the best surfactant you can get. It's cheap insurance.

GN will kill some woody plants but not others. It will burn and hurt them all and stop, or severely limit their growth for the year.

We basically spray heavy 1-3 years, then lighten up after that. We will go to IPT as soon as time allows.

In our case, if we spray in the spring, a lit of times by the fall you can see if any of the woody plants are trying to green back out. At that point I would use IPT to handle them.

If it's wide open with nothing to worry about you can definitely add remedy and other things to take care of the woody plants. We have trees every where so I staying away from that usually and the economics is kind of rough if the whole field is not covered. I had better luck with heavy does GN and ipt.

IPT ?

 

[greybeard]

IPT ?

Answered on pg 1.
Individual Plant Treatment
Many of us just call it spot spraying

 

[gman4691]

I'm with those suggesting Remedy (or something that contains trichlopyr) for woody plants - worked wonders on persimmon shoots in one of my pastures. Grazon is pretty good on a wide variety of broad-leaf weeds and there are no grazing restrictions. I mostly use Grazon P+D and Cryder on my hay pastures. Other pastures get Grazon or 2,4-D Amine with Remedy (when woody plants are a problem) depending on what my primary target is for a given pasture. The 2,4-D Amine did a good job on coneflowers in one pasture but it needs to be used before the plants stalk and bloom for best results. It also does a good job on thistles…I give the liquid time to dry before letting cows in on it…same with Remedy. Have gotten good results with no apparent ill effects - pastures looking awesome at the moment. Grazon P+D is a good general purpose weed control…but it has to make contact with the plant…some weeds will come up later and spraying them while small will get the best kill…just tricky trying to figure out the timing from year to year. Best to find out the major weeds you want to control. The woody stuff will respond best to Remedy.

 

[Brute 23]

IPT ?

Like GB said, individual plant treatment. I was just being lazy. Easier to type than spot spraying.

 

[Shank3r]

ep going. If it's wet all the way around the base you are good. No n

I've got 3 gallons of Remedy and a whole bunch of old diesel and have thought about doing basal spray on larger / multi-stem huisache where it's too thick to even get a 4 wheeler in. How long after spraying does the plant show signs of dying? Do you think it has a pretty good kill rate on larger stuff?

You mentioned Sendero. I bought a gallon in East Texas once because it was on sale and thought I would try it on tallow even tho i knew it was specifically for mesquite. My thought was,"Hell, If it'll kill Mesquite, it'll kill anything" Wrong. I never really found any plant growing on my E Tex place that it killed..

I've noticed that too, I've sprayed it on things other than Mesquite / Huisache, and it does nothing...but works great on what it's made for.

 

[Brute 23]

I've got 3 gallons of Remedy and a whole bunch of old diesel and have thought about doing basal spray on larger / multi-stem huisache where it's too thick to even get a 4 wheeler in. How long after spraying does the plant show signs of dying? Do you think it has a pretty good kill rate on larger stuff?



I've noticed that too, I've sprayed it on things other than Mesquite / Huisache, and it does nothing...but works great on what it's made for.

The larger they are the easier to kill.

I put a little valve off the bottom of our diesel tanks that we get diesel for spraying from. My hope is by constantly pulling the bottoms it helps keep the tank clean and it doesn't matter to the sprayer.

Just spray to bottom foot or two all the way around the base.

How fast will depend on the conditions. When the conditions are good, you can see the leaves fade in a week or two.

Just don't puddle it up or any thing like that. That's where you waste money and start leaching chemicals where you don't want them.

 

[RNW]

RNW, it would help if you list what kind the 'millions of tree sprouts" are.

picture attached...not sure what the sprouts are. sent pic to my extension office for their thoughts

 

[greybeard]

I recognize ironwood and beech. Not sure what the waxy viney plant on lower left is.
Good news is I also see some grasses underneath it all.

 

[RNW]

The larger they are the easier to kill.

I put a little valve off the bottom of our diesel tanks that we get diesel for spraying from. My hope is by constantly pulling the bottoms it helps keep the tank clean and it doesn't matter to the sprayer.

Just spray to bottom foot or two all the way around the base.

How fast will depend on the conditions. When the conditions are good, you can see the leaves fade in a week or two.

Just don't puddle it up or any thing like that. That's where you waste money and start leaching chemicals where you don't want them.

several have mentioned diesel fuel, which i have plenty....but will it hurt the parts/seals etc in my spray rig? or mix with water/ grazon/remedy/etc.. i figure it will kill weeds/trees but don't know about mixing with stuff in my tractor spray tank or backpack spray tank...havent been down this road....thanks

 

[Brute 23]

several have mentioned diesel fuel, which i have plenty....but will it hurt the parts/seals etc in my spray rig? or mix with water/ grazon/remedy/etc.. i figure it will kill weeds/trees but don't know about mixing with stuff in my tractor spray tank or backpack spray tank...havent been down this road....thanks

Yes and no. Over time yes it will. Especially if you put diesel in and take it out. It's better to just have a dedicated diesel pump and leave it in there. Maybe pump it every so often if it sits. I never had better luck buying the ones supposedly made for diesel or washing them out in between.

We have started buying some 25g sprayers from TSC for diesel. They hold enought to spray several hours but and not to big to move if need be. They have small pumps so it helps keep people from putting out too much. They are about $100 and last 2 or 3 years.

 

[simme]

several have mentioned diesel fuel, which i have plenty....but will it hurt the parts/seals etc in my spray rig? or mix with water/ grazon/remedy/etc.. i figure it will kill weeds/trees but don't know about mixing with stuff in my tractor spray tank or backpack spray tank...havent been down this road....thanks

I think the mentions of diesel were for basal bark treatments of trees/woody plants. Spray a diesel/remedy mixture in a band on the bark around the plant/tree per the label. As opposed to an over the top mixture. That basal bark treatment is typically done with a backpack sprayer or handheld.

 

[bird dog]

IMO Its better to use a two gallon sprayer and mix often than it is to use a bigger sprayer. Your a better man than I am if you can basal spray 25 gallons of mix in one outing.

A dedicated cheap two gallon sprayer will last through a season and sometimes two. When they get nasty they have a second life as a burn pile starter.

My nuclear foliage water mix for everything on my place is two parts sendero, two parts surmount and one part remedy plus a double the amount of surfactant.
For basal, remedy and diesel is all you need.

 

[Brute 23]

We run the sprayers off the back of an atv or utv with remedy and diesel. No cutting the bark. Just drive up and give it a squirt and keep going. I have two 25g in the bed if utvs right now and a 40g on a trailer that gets pulled by an atv usually. In general, it's about 10g per hour.

The other thing I like about the 25g is you can put it in the bed of a utv and still have room for other stuff. You don't have to take it in and out. The 40g I put on a trailer because it takes up pretty much the whole bed and kind of kills that unit for much else.