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<blockquote data-quote="SRBeef" data-source="post: 691655" data-attributes="member: 7509"><p>edr - Thank you for taking the time to post the extensive material above. You have an opinion and are passionate about it. That is good. The world needs many people with passion.</p><p></p><p>As in most things in life however, there is more than one way to raise beef. </p><p></p><p>While I share some of your viewpoints, I do remember having some just awful beef in the UK (England) that was definitely 100% grassfed. You did not need a label or sign on the door or menu to tell it was grass fed.</p><p></p><p>I have also been in an "American Steakhouse" in Germany where folks CHOSE to go have some guaranteed American corn-fed beef. You also did not need to look at the sign to tell this was NOT grass finished beef.</p><p></p><p>One of my sons has been in Argentina and reports the beef there and the cooking of the beef there was also very good. Beef in Argentina forms a much larger percent of folks diet than in many other countries. </p><p></p><p>Personally I think there is a middle ground between 100% grassfed and 100% corn finished. </p><p></p><p>Corn is NOT evil! Sometimes we don't use it very well and our long time approach in the US of a cheap food policy (but reasonable quality) drives large industrial type vertically integrated processors to push a good thing too far in the name of maximizing profits.</p><p></p><p>I get very tired of hearing such as I heard on the radio recently an hour long rant that corn is the cause of global warming and that you can fight global warming by becoming a vegetarian...or something to that effect. Many concerned young folks, often several generations removed from ever having been on a farm, pick up this rubbish and think it is true.</p><p></p><p>I believe strongly in the free market system. And because of that system and passionate people like you, I believe things will eventually come back to a stable middle ground. </p><p></p><p>The truth and best way long term usually lies somewhere between the two extremes in many discussions like this.</p><p></p><p>Thank you for sharing your well thought out passion. However do not expect that many folks here will convert to your way of thinking. As you point out however the economics is leading us to more grass fed beef. The trick is to keep the flavor that folks like. While that can be done with pure grass only, it is not easy and definitely not automatic with grass as anyone who has had local beef in the UK can tell you.</p><p></p><p>Question for you: you talk about maintaining fertility and quality pastures. Does this mean you do use additional purchased fertilizers on your pastures?</p><p></p><p>I soil test and apply what the tests indicate is needed to raise good grass. I use legumes (mostly clover) as the source of most N but there are various trace elements which are often missing from the soils in many geographic areas. </p><p></p><p>Since most of us do not have the ability to graze virgin rangeland and instead graze ground that has been farmed or hayed in the past, I think we need to see what we have to work with and a soil test is a place to start. jmho.</p><p></p><p>Thanks again for your extensive post and passion.</p><p></p><p>Jim</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SRBeef, post: 691655, member: 7509"] edr - Thank you for taking the time to post the extensive material above. You have an opinion and are passionate about it. That is good. The world needs many people with passion. As in most things in life however, there is more than one way to raise beef. While I share some of your viewpoints, I do remember having some just awful beef in the UK (England) that was definitely 100% grassfed. You did not need a label or sign on the door or menu to tell it was grass fed. I have also been in an "American Steakhouse" in Germany where folks CHOSE to go have some guaranteed American corn-fed beef. You also did not need to look at the sign to tell this was NOT grass finished beef. One of my sons has been in Argentina and reports the beef there and the cooking of the beef there was also very good. Beef in Argentina forms a much larger percent of folks diet than in many other countries. Personally I think there is a middle ground between 100% grassfed and 100% corn finished. Corn is NOT evil! Sometimes we don't use it very well and our long time approach in the US of a cheap food policy (but reasonable quality) drives large industrial type vertically integrated processors to push a good thing too far in the name of maximizing profits. I get very tired of hearing such as I heard on the radio recently an hour long rant that corn is the cause of global warming and that you can fight global warming by becoming a vegetarian...or something to that effect. Many concerned young folks, often several generations removed from ever having been on a farm, pick up this rubbish and think it is true. I believe strongly in the free market system. And because of that system and passionate people like you, I believe things will eventually come back to a stable middle ground. The truth and best way long term usually lies somewhere between the two extremes in many discussions like this. Thank you for sharing your well thought out passion. However do not expect that many folks here will convert to your way of thinking. As you point out however the economics is leading us to more grass fed beef. The trick is to keep the flavor that folks like. While that can be done with pure grass only, it is not easy and definitely not automatic with grass as anyone who has had local beef in the UK can tell you. Question for you: you talk about maintaining fertility and quality pastures. Does this mean you do use additional purchased fertilizers on your pastures? I soil test and apply what the tests indicate is needed to raise good grass. I use legumes (mostly clover) as the source of most N but there are various trace elements which are often missing from the soils in many geographic areas. Since most of us do not have the ability to graze virgin rangeland and instead graze ground that has been farmed or hayed in the past, I think we need to see what we have to work with and a soil test is a place to start. jmho. Thanks again for your extensive post and passion. Jim [/QUOTE]
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