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<blockquote data-quote="edrsimms" data-source="post: 698502" data-attributes="member: 10970"><p>Let me site the obvious so you can better understand it Nova--- Grassfed genetics are both by phenotype and genotype.</p><p>I agree with the phenotype but please explain the geonotype. </p><p>Phenotypically speaking you should cull those which will not make it on a forage base-- first.. Then when those are culled you get rid of the rest that cannot cut it on forage, at which time you have a genetically superior group of cattle based on forage utilization. On the other hand your grain fed genetics --will never cut it on forage ,</p><p></p><p>Well I agree up to this point,but any cattleman already does this if they have any management skills at all. It is called culling hard keepers. </p><p>which has already been figured out ---long ago--- as most of the commercial cattle operations in the US are grain fed genetics. </p><p></p><p>Again you go back to the genetics part that you have not come close to explaining. </p><p>Most cattle operations in the US are grain-fed genetics: the Limmins, the brahman influenced, the maine anjou and the rest of the 100 composite types. There are only a few true breeds that are grass-fed genetics and once you stray away from that you are going to lose. Everyone should understand the economics of raising large framed cattle -- it is a loser in more ways than 1. It takes years to get your program working optimally with grass-fed genetics and most don't have the land base and they are doomed to continue on with their less profitable grain fed operations. And we need those people to support Walmart and others. As far as the grass-fed genetics go--I think it is only fair that you do your own research on that as I did. </p><p></p><p>The fact that an animal does good or bad on grass is determined by the efficiency of the rumen. The rumen is more efficient the bigger it is. It takes longer for the food to be processed therefore more nutrition is taken out of the forage or grain. The breakdown of what ever the cow eats is totally a function of the microbes within the rumen not the genetics of the animal.</p><p></p><p>This is really not true as it depends on the type and quality of forage your cows are on.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>You can change it, beginning with your soil forage base,I Agree</p><p>then your genetics.Totally disagree. You will never make it on grain fed genetics -- change it and you will prosper -- refuse to change and you will lose</p><p>Anyone on Fescue will have to start over (a least a decade behind if you started today). Fescue fed beef is the worst on Earth.I know nothing about Fescue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="edrsimms, post: 698502, member: 10970"] Let me site the obvious so you can better understand it Nova--- Grassfed genetics are both by phenotype and genotype. I agree with the phenotype but please explain the geonotype. Phenotypically speaking you should cull those which will not make it on a forage base-- first.. Then when those are culled you get rid of the rest that cannot cut it on forage, at which time you have a genetically superior group of cattle based on forage utilization. On the other hand your grain fed genetics --will never cut it on forage , Well I agree up to this point,but any cattleman already does this if they have any management skills at all. It is called culling hard keepers. which has already been figured out ---long ago--- as most of the commercial cattle operations in the US are grain fed genetics. Again you go back to the genetics part that you have not come close to explaining. Most cattle operations in the US are grain-fed genetics: the Limmins, the brahman influenced, the maine anjou and the rest of the 100 composite types. There are only a few true breeds that are grass-fed genetics and once you stray away from that you are going to lose. Everyone should understand the economics of raising large framed cattle -- it is a loser in more ways than 1. It takes years to get your program working optimally with grass-fed genetics and most don't have the land base and they are doomed to continue on with their less profitable grain fed operations. And we need those people to support Walmart and others. As far as the grass-fed genetics go--I think it is only fair that you do your own research on that as I did. The fact that an animal does good or bad on grass is determined by the efficiency of the rumen. The rumen is more efficient the bigger it is. It takes longer for the food to be processed therefore more nutrition is taken out of the forage or grain. The breakdown of what ever the cow eats is totally a function of the microbes within the rumen not the genetics of the animal. This is really not true as it depends on the type and quality of forage your cows are on. You can change it, beginning with your soil forage base,I Agree then your genetics.Totally disagree. You will never make it on grain fed genetics -- change it and you will prosper -- refuse to change and you will lose Anyone on Fescue will have to start over (a least a decade behind if you started today). Fescue fed beef is the worst on Earth.I know nothing about Fescue. [/QUOTE]
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