full term- still-born calves

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I have two Simmental cows, both have had healthy calves years previous. In 2000, One cow had a healthy calf. The other cow had aborted her fetus before the second trimester. I then vaccinated with Fort Dodge, Triangle 9 & Type II BVD. Killed virus, Safe for all stages of pregnancy. I vaccinated the cows before I had them bred, I gave each two vaccinations, four weeks apart. I then, on the advice of my local veterinarian, gave the each a shot 6 months later to bring up their antibody titer. Now for the question. Both cows had full term calves. One had twins. The calves were born dead, they were jaundiced, and both cows retained their placenta. My question is, was it the vaccine that caused the deaths of the calves? And if so, how did it happen? The calves were not over do. The cows are on the same pasture they have been all their lives. I keep weeds in check. Nothing unusual or different in the care they were given during their pregnancy. If anyone has any ideas I would be very grateful.

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If you are in the grip of an unusual heat wave, this could be the cause. In this area, Mo Ozarks, there are a lot of calves born dead, pregnant cows dying, etc. The heat index is pushing 105 to 110 very abnormal.

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> I have two Simmental cows, both
> have had healthy calves years
> previous. In 2000, One cow had a
> healthy calf. The other cow had
> aborted her fetus before the
> second trimester. I then
> vaccinated with Fort Dodge,
> Triangle 9 & Type II BVD.
> Killed virus, Safe for all stages
> of pregnancy. I vaccinated the
> cows before I had them bred, I
> gave each two vaccinations, four
> weeks apart. I then, on the advice
> of my local veterinarian, gave the
> each a shot 6 months later to
> bring up their antibody titer. Now
> for the question. Both cows had
> full term calves. One had twins.
> The calves were born dead, they
> were jaundiced, and both cows
> retained their placenta. My
> question is, was it the vaccine
> that caused the deaths of the
> calves? And if so, how did it
> happen? The calves were not over
> do. The cows are on the same
> pasture they have been all their
> lives. I keep weeds in check.
> Nothing unusual or different in
> the care they were given during
> their pregnancy. If anyone has any
> ideas I would be very grateful.
 
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> I have two Simmental cows, both
> have had healthy calves years
> previous. In 2000, One cow had a
> healthy calf. The other cow had
> aborted her fetus before the
> second trimester. I then
> vaccinated with Fort Dodge,
> Triangle 9 & Type II BVD.
> Killed virus, Safe for all stages
> of pregnancy. I vaccinated the
> cows before I had them bred, I
> gave each two vaccinations, four
> weeks apart. I then, on the advice
> of my local veterinarian, gave the
> each a shot 6 months later to
> bring up their antibody titer. Now
> for the question. Both cows had
> full term calves. One had twins.
> The calves were born dead, they
> were jaundiced, and both cows
> retained their placenta. My
> question is, was it the vaccine
> that caused the deaths of the
> calves? And if so, how did it
> happen? The calves were not over
> do. The cows are on the same
> pasture they have been all their
> lives. I keep weeds in check.
> Nothing unusual or different in
> the care they were given during
> their pregnancy. If anyone has any
> ideas I would be very grateful.

Is there a possibility the bull may be infected with a sexually transmitted disease? Is the bull used on other cows/herds? Is the bull given a fertility exam each year by a veterinarian?

All too often we look at the cow and blame her for a problem, not even thinking about the bull.
 
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The vaccine did not cause the abortions. Tri 9 is very safe. The twin calves born dead is VERY common with twins. Was the other cow the same one that had a DOA calf in 2000?? If so, you might have her checked for persistant IBR or BVD. I also raise Simmental. Jeanne
> I have two Simmental cows, both
> have had healthy calves years
> previous. In 2000, One cow had a
> healthy calf. The other cow had
> aborted her fetus before the
> second trimester. I then
> vaccinated with Fort Dodge,
> Triangle 9 & Type II BVD.
> Killed virus, Safe for all stages
> of pregnancy. I vaccinated the
> cows before I had them bred, I
> gave each two vaccinations, four
> weeks apart. I then, on the advice
> of my local veterinarian, gave the
> each a shot 6 months later to
> bring up their antibody titer. Now
> for the question. Both cows had
> full term calves. One had twins.
> The calves were born dead, they
> were jaundiced, and both cows
> retained their placenta. My
> question is, was it the vaccine
> that caused the deaths of the
> calves? And if so, how did it
> happen? The calves were not over
> do. The cows are on the same
> pasture they have been all their
> lives. I keep weeds in check.
> Nothing unusual or different in
> the care they were given during
> their pregnancy. If anyone has any
> ideas I would be very grateful.

Simme Valley in NY
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Had 8 calves born dead this spring in april Had 2 ecropsy done by u of I they were full term and were selenium defecient even though they had a selenium shot with a and d vitamin with it . we did not allow enough time for them to metabolize it.we allowed 6 weeks it takes 3 months. retained placenta is a text book symptom of this and slow cleaning out of the afterbirth. it was a very expensive lesson. certain parts of usa is selenium defecient in their soils only 2 couties in illinois in which i reside in 1.

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I fully agree & understand about selenium deficiency, BUT, I was unclear about the shot you gave. Did you give the COW a MuSe (selenium) shot (1cc @ 200#) 6 weeks prior to calving? I don't understand what the Univ was talking about - taking 3 months to metobolize? A MuSe & BoSe shot only stays in the animals system for 30 days. That's why it is recommended to give the shot within 30 days of calving, again 30 days prior to breeding. We supplement out herd year round with selenium (extra dosage) in their loose mineral.
> allow enough time for them to
> metabolize it.we allowed 6 weeks
> it takes 3 months. retained
> placenta is a text book symptom of
> this and slow cleaning out of the
> afterbirth. it was a very
> expensive lesson. certain parts of
> usa is selenium defecient in their
> soils only 2 couties in illinois
> in which i reside in 1.

Simme Valley in NY
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I want to thank every one who responded to my message. I am presently treating them for a selenium deficiency, due to the information I received. Both cows are improving dramatically, I had no idea how severe the results of this deficiency could be. I was always more concerned about the toxic effects if given too much selenium. One cow has bred back, and the one who lost twins came into heat yesterday. I will bred her next month. Thanks again to all who respond, go out and hug your cows today. I already have. I have a lot to be thankful for, good people like you, and the fact that I live in America. God Bless and take care!!!!!! God Bless America!!!!!!!!

> I have two Simmental cows, both
> have had healthy calves years
> previous. In 2000, One cow had a
> healthy calf. The other cow had
> aborted her fetus before the
> second trimester. I then
> vaccinated with Fort Dodge,
> Triangle 9 & Type II BVD.
> Killed virus, Safe for all stages
> of pregnancy. I vaccinated the
> cows before I had them bred, I
> gave each two vaccinations, four
> weeks apart. I then, on the advice
> of my local veterinarian, gave the
> each a shot 6 months later to
> bring up their antibody titer. Now
> for the question. Both cows had
> full term calves. One had twins.
> The calves were born dead, they
> were jaundiced, and both cows
> retained their placenta. My
> question is, was it the vaccine
> that caused the deaths of the
> calves? And if so, how did it
> happen? The calves were not over
> do. The cows are on the same
> pasture they have been all their
> lives. I keep weeds in check.
> Nothing unusual or different in
> the care they were given during
> their pregnancy. If anyone has any
> ideas I would be very grateful.

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