For all the hard core

[karlie45]

We started out raising Herfs. Moved on to simmental, and now shorties on the side.
I would probably like try out some Charlais..im crazy 'bout white cattle.
Salers have spiked my interest lately...dont know much 'bout them though.

 

[OK Jeanne]

We could not be arm-wrestled into giving up our Murray
Greys - they are ideal for what we are doing.

If there were no Murray Grey breed, I'd likely go with
Senepol. They are second behind Murrays in regard
to the frequency of the tenderness genes --- and red
is a better color for the heat than black.

 

[Not-So-Plain-Country Girl]

I married into a limo family. I partial to all cattle. They are all unique to their own breed and seem to be a little better if crossed. I do love the limos (but that's what I'm used to), but I will take any breed I can talk the hubby into buying . I love them all!

 

[MikeC]

We could not be arm-wrestled into giving up our Murray
Greys - they are ideal for what we are doing.

If there were no Murray Grey breed, I'd likely go with
Senepol. They are second behind Murrays in regard
to the frequency of the tenderness genes --- and red
is a better color for the heat than black.

According to the Murray Grey website, the tenderness tendency comes from the Shorthorn cattle and the marbling comes from the Scottish Angus.

So if you want tenderness, why not choose Shorthorn as your second choice?

" Murray Grey cattle have the excellent temperament, thriftiness and meat tenderness of the Shorthorns and the marbling traits of the original Scotch Aberdeen Angus."

 

[Wewild]

We raise Lims both red and black. We go a hand full or two or Red Polls.

I would like to breed the red Lims to some Char bulls.

I like the Lim's crossed with Red Polls.

I am kinda partial to the old Simmys that you don't see anymore.

I like the baldys.

I like the red Shorthorns.

I even thought Ruby's little red Brahman's were so ugly that I would have to have some later on. I never thought I would get there.

 

[OK Jeanne]

We could not be arm-wrestled into giving up our Murray
Greys - they are ideal for what we are doing.

If there were no Murray Grey breed, I'd likely go with
Senepol. They are second behind Murrays in regard
to the frequency of the tenderness genes --- and red
is a better color for the heat than black.

According to the Murray Grey website, the tenderness tendency comes from the Shorthorn cattle and the marbling comes from the Scottish Angus.

So if you want tenderness, why not choose Shorthorn as your second choice?

" Murray Grey cattle have the excellent temperament, thriftiness and meat tenderness of the Shorthorns and the marbling traits of the original Scotch Aberdeen Angus."

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At least statistically, the Murrays are superior to the
Shorthorns in terms of having more of the tenderness
genes. Bovigen will not produce an up-to-date
breed comparison chart that shows the 3d tenderness
gene(another calpain); but I was told that the percentages
do not vary from the first calpain that was validated.
Only breeds with over 100 animals were included in
this chart:

Note that the Shorthorns excell in the calpastatin category
but not for the calpain factor. The Senepol score was
equal to Angus, but personally I think that red is better
than black for hot climates. Also, we don't want anything
to do with horns. It should go without saying:
all breeds will inevitably have some supremely tender
bloodlines. Jack Dees of Davis Mt. organic beef told me
about a Char bull up north somewhere was a perfect
10 "star", i.e. for all the tenderness and marbling genes.

Mike C.: what Murray Grey website were you referring to in
your message???

 

[MikeC]

http://www.murraygreybeefcattle.com/history.htm

 

[Limomike]

I would have to go with Red Angus, Gelbvieh.

 

[Aaron]

About 6 years ago, I got bored and sent out for info from all the breed registries in Canada, thinking of introducing another registered breed of cattle along with our Herefords. The fees for registering is what scared me off a lot of breeds. Some had limited gene pools. And some just wouldn't fit our operation.

Simmental or Gelbvieh would be the breeds I would pick. 1/4 Simmental and 3/4 Hereford was a very good cross for us in the past. Although I would get nostalgic and go for Shorthorn if it was easier to access some real Shorthorn genes and not all the show steer Shorthorns.

 

[OK Jeanne]

About 6 years ago, I got bored and sent out for info from all the breed registries in Canada, thinking of introducing another registered breed of cattle along with our Herefords. The fees for registering is what scared me off a lot of breeds. Some had limited gene pools. And some just wouldn't fit our operation.

The registration fee for our group, Murray Grey International,
is 10.00 canadian dollars; and an animal can be registered
up to 3 years old---no annual "cow tax" to keep the
animal registered. Membership fee is 30.00 canadian.
Our website is http://www.murraygrey.org. We don't have
a "history" page that implies that you can cross a
shorthorn with an angus and get a murray grey. It took
decades of careful selection to get the breed
characteristics "set" and the 100th "anniversary" was
held in Australia in 2005. Our registry service is by contract
with CLRC in Ottowa.

 

[Diehard40]

currently raise simmental and some crosses.
i like earred cattle so i would consider either beefmaster or raising some F1s with some brahmah blood.

 

[milesvb]

We are commercial with Brahman influence.

I have been interested in Tuli or Senepol in lieu of Brahman influence for our area but there aren't enough around yet for me to jump on that wagon.

 

[Weaver]

If I had to choose something we don't have, then I would like nothing better than to look out the window and see a herd of red angus or the red and white simmental's contently grazing in the pastures.

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

I can't seem to find a link to the above chart, can someone refer me to a site with this table. Thanks

 

[OK Jeanne]

I can't seem to find a link to the above chart, can someone refer me to a site with this table. Thanks

The chart is in my files at home. I scanned it and put it
on photobucket. I got it from Susan Wilmon, the former
office manager of GeneStar in Colorado -- which was
before the Australians(who own the patent for
calpastatin) sold/licensed the rights to Bovigen. You
may recall that Bovigen is owned by a big angus
breeder in LA. They have a brand new lab just outside
of New Orleans and are certified to do even human
DNA testing in addition to the cattle work. In the past
I've had problems with the lab that Igenity uses.

Susan now works for the Gelbvieh association. Bovigen
will not put out any more breed comparison charts---and
probably wish I didn't have this one.

 

[Jovid]

We could not be arm-wrestled into giving up our Murray
Greys - they are ideal for what we are doing.

If there were no Murray Grey breed, I'd likely go with
Senepol. They are second behind Murrays in regard
to the frequency of the tenderness genes --- and red
is a better color for the heat than black.

And for those of you that don't know this the tenderness comes from the Red Poll

 

[backhoeboogie]

What breed have you never used but has intrigued you?

Murray Grey. But they are derived from angus and angus can't cut this climate. The old cattleman Vet tells me, "Not in Texas." Still I am tempted.

 

[Jovid]

I can't seem to find a link to the above chart, can someone refer me to a site with this table. Thanks

The chart is several years old and only reflects the cattle that were submitted to GeneStar for testing at that time. If a breed did not test very many animals it is not listed on the chart. It is not statistically correct due to the number of animals tested. That is why Bovigen won't produce any more data comparing breeds and wish they hadn't put that one out.

 

[OK Jeanne]

I can't seem to find a link to the above chart, can someone refer me to a site with this table. Thanks

The chart is several years old and only reflects the cattle that were submitted to GeneStar for testing at that time. If a breed did not test very many animals it is not listed on the chart. It is not statistically correct due to the number of animals tested. That is why Bovigen won't produce any more data comparing breeds and wish they hadn't put that one out.

In their effort to make it statistically correct, they only
included breeds that had over 100 animals tested.

I suspect they will not put out any more data because they
decided it was bad for business. I also suspect that the
brahaman results surprised no one - but the hereford people
might have been p.o'd But most likely what happened is that the herefords that were tested just by coincidence were not-so-tender bloodlines. And it could be that the company, now
licensed for calpastatin(calpain is in the public domain), who
is owned by a big angus breeder, just didn't want to admit
that another breed outscored angus??? For sure there were over 100 for each breed represented however.

Regarding Murray Greys and hot climates:

Here's a list of some towns that have Murray Grey herds:

Cameron, Texas
Folsom, NM
Reklaw, TX
Ozona, TX
Clifton, TX
Van Horn, TX
Clarendon, TX
Cleveland, TX
Flatonia, TX
Brenham, TX
China Springs, TX
Franklinton, LA
High Springs, FL
Hazelhurst, GA
Zolfo Springs, FL
Paisley, FL
Costa Rica
Brazil
Paraguay
Burkburnett, TX

And I didn't mention any locations in Oklahoma---it gets pretty hot around here also.

 

[KNERSIE]

About 6 years ago, I got bored and sent out for info from all the breed registries in Canada, thinking of introducing another registered breed of cattle along with our Herefords. The fees for registering is what scared me off a lot of breeds. Some had limited gene pools. And some just wouldn't fit our operation.

Simmental or Gelbvieh would be the breeds I would pick. 1/4 Simmental and 3/4 Hereford was a very good cross for us in the past. Although I would get nostalgic and go for Shorthorn if it was easier to access some real Shorthorn genes and not all the show steer Shorthorns.

That would be close to my ideal cross for a maternal herd if I could find someone who would breed them so I can just buy the heifers. The simmental x hereford F1 are too milky for my conditions and fertility suffers, but they can raise a calf, pity they don't breed back especially after a hot dry summer.