callmefence":ab2xmp79 said:I've learned the hard way. If grass isn't in your area there's a good reason.
Gulf ryegrass is persistent enough it's almost as good as a perennial. A good mix of rye, Texas winter grass and rescue grass should serve you well.
Eugene66":2zj5fix8 said:I submit that all Fescue varieties are not all the same.
BC... I know two guys claiming you are the GURU when it comes to Van Zandt county agriculture. I hope to pick your brain even more in the future. I agree with all of your reply with regards to normal Fescue aka Tall Fescue K31; however, Prosper Tall Fescue is a TRUE "summer dormant" variety. It has survived at Vernon, Texas for more than 10 years with 17 inches annual rainfall. We average 45 inches. I know Rye will not survive our summers on upland pastures. We run two thousand acres with Coastal, Jiggs, Tifton 85, Bermuda, Dallisgrass, Bahia, Ryegrass, and assorted Clovers. I have a good grasp of what native pastures God - sometimes referred to as mother nature - has provided us, along with the aforementioned improved varieties. I have a habit of pushing envelopes. If I do as most everyone else does though, I am sure to get the same results most everyone else does.
We no-tilled in a 20 acre test plot last October. So far, so good. We plan to no-till 60 more acres this October. Five years from now, I should know whether it can survive our summers.
Eugene66":2l4cltej said:BF, what is your average annual rainfall? Is your soil sandy? Prosper Tall Fescue is not recommended for sandy soils. Our acreage (mostly rented) is all loamy except about 150 acres. I plan to avoid planting any Prosper on the sandy acreage.
GB, I usually light disk or use a HayVan no-till drill to put in my ryegrass/clover. I do not manage it to reseed because I want the grazing it provides before Bermuda and Bahia put out. Just add a 1/2 rate of clover every year.greybeard":21zpvi4r said:BC, do you have good luck just overseeding clover? The only time I've gotten a good stand of it is if I disc or till the ground first.
Did it survive 2011 or did you plant later?Texasmark":3qusx5mt said:I have perennial (I guess) long stem Fescue. Just went to the local feed store and bought what they stocked years ago. I got it started on a pool bank after a new one was dug. Now it's everywhere and stays green most of the year except July and August. It turns brown and quits growing but when the weather cools off in September and get some water on it back it comes. I'm NE of Dallas in Houston Black Clay. Really I hate it because it clumps and I don't have it 100% so mowing over it is a PIB....not PIA, well yes a PIA too.
My recent soil testing revealed exactly that = Boron deficiency. Plan to correct it when we fertilize next time.BC":1m7kupy2 said:GB, I usually light disk or use a HayVan no-till drill to put in my ryegrass/clover. I do not manage it to reseed because I want the grazing it provides before Bermuda and Bahia put out. Just add a 1/2 rate of clover every year.greybeard":1m7kupy2 said:BC, do you have good luck just overseeding clover? The only time I've gotten a good stand of it is if I disc or till the ground first.
One thing I would suggest to anyone growing clovers is to test for minor elements. I have seen a good response to adding a lb of Boron per acre to fertilizer mix on legumes.