Fence cost

[GoWyo]

I found out that along with no help for reseeding the NRCS and FSA can't help with fencing because I am in the grassland reserve program. So I come up with a brilliant idea. Get my neighbor to sign up for cost share and I will pay him for half of his portion of the cost. A great idea until I talked to the neighbor and found out that he has his in the same grassland preservation program. Now I am walking fence to figure out which can be salvaged with some repair and which areas need new fence.
I just saw where the group working to help those in the fire area in Wyoming bought a semi load of wire and another loaded with posts. The cost worked out to be $5200 per mile for 4 strand fence. That is just for material add labor to that it is how much? I am the smallest ranch in this valley and I have between 4 and 5 miles of fence.
One of my neighbors has a BLM allotment which had a portion of it burn. The BLM told him that he can use the part which didn't burn but would need to fence the cows of the burned part. That means about 3 or 4 miles of fence. Makes for some pretty expensive grass. I have heard that BLM is not going to fence any of their land. Even share the cost to build where they border private land. It is going to be entirely up to the permit holder. I wonder how that is going to work out in a open range area which requires you to fence cows out if you don't want them on your property.

At the very least there should be emergency/disaster loans to cover this and work on congressional or state disaster relief to get burn areas rehabbed and re-fenced. It will probably be a slow process, especially in an election year. Not many votes to buy out in the boonies. Creative bureaucrats who really want to get something done could probably find assistance to at least buy materials.

 

[Travlr]

I found out that along with no help for reseeding the NRCS and FSA can't help with fencing because I am in the grassland reserve program. So I come up with a brilliant idea. Get my neighbor to sign up for cost share and I will pay him for half of his portion of the cost. A great idea until I talked to the neighbor and found out that he has his in the same grassland preservation program. Now I am walking fence to figure out which can be salvaged with some repair and which areas need new fence.
I just saw where the group working to help those in the fire area in Wyoming bought a semi load of wire and another loaded with posts. The cost worked out to be $5200 per mile for 4 strand fence. That is just for material add labor to that it is how much? I am the smallest ranch in this valley and I have between 4 and 5 miles of fence.
One of my neighbors has a BLM allotment which had a portion of it burn. The BLM told him that he can use the part which didn't burn but would need to fence the cows of the burned part. That means about 3 or 4 miles of fence. Makes for some pretty expensive grass. I have heard that BLM is not going to fence any of their land. Even share the cost to build where they border private land. It is going to be entirely up to the permit holder. I wonder how that is going to work out in a open range area which requires you to fence cows out if you don't want them on your property.

I swear that the bureaucrats have fallen for the "cows belch too much methane" argument that the animal rights and vegans are promoting... without taking to any real agricultural scientists. They seem to be looking for ways to make cattle more difficult to have.

My thought is to have a big meeting and have everyone agree to keep their numbers the same, brand, have yearly round-ups, and forget the fences. If someone wants to increase their herd let them buy or rent more real estate and assign a number of acres per cow/calf unit in the entire area.

By no means a perfect solution... but might be better that the financial hit of expensive fencing.

 

[Mark Reynolds]

I found out that along with no help for reseeding the NRCS and FSA can't help with fencing because I am in the grassland reserve program. So I come up with a brilliant idea. Get my neighbor to sign up for cost share and I will pay him for half of his portion of the cost. A great idea until I talked to the neighbor and found out that he has his in the same grassland preservation program. Now I am walking fence to figure out which can be salvaged with some repair and which areas need new fence.
I just saw where the group working to help those in the fire area in Wyoming bought a semi load of wire and another loaded with posts. The cost worked out to be $5200 per mile for 4 strand fence. That is just for material add labor to that it is how much? I am the smallest ranch in this valley and I have between 4 and 5 miles of fence.
One of my neighbors has a BLM allotment which had a portion of it burn. The BLM told him that he can use the part which didn't burn but would need to fence the cows of the burned part. That means about 3 or 4 miles of fence. Makes for some pretty expensive grass. I have heard that BLM is not going to fence any of their land. Even share the cost to build where they border private land. It is going to be entirely up to the permit holder. I wonder how that is going to work out in a open range area which requires you to fence cows out if you don't want them on your property.

@Dave, this needs a 2nd look. It is true that land enrolled in the GRP (Grasslands Reserve Program) is NOT eligible for many of the programs that are offered by the NRCS and FSA, disaster assistance may still be available. Your current situation seems it may be somewhat unique. Your local FSA may be quite helpful and know/understand the rules for the "regular" occurrences, but this is not regular. I'm not saying they are wrong, but you might want to double check.

Does a Grassland CRP contract change a landowners' eligibility for drought programs offered through FSA or NRCS?

Participants may be eligible for disaster assistance programs as long as there is no duplication of benefits. Participants will need to work with their local FSA office to determine eligibility for specific drought programs.

Drought is the common disaster that FSA typically thinks of. However, disaster includes more than just drought. It DOES include fire.

https://onland.westernlandowners.org/2021/steward-tips/what-landowners-need-to-know-about-grassland-crp-ahead-of-the-august-20-deadline/

@Dave, please go to this link and review, then return to your FSA office with questions. I don't know what you have been told or what clarification you have been given. I think FSA may be looking at this when they gave you a response:

Can landowners install conservation practices through EQIP or perform enhancements through CSP on Grassland CRP acreage? Or conduct both through the new EQIP CIC opportunity?

Land under contract for EQIP or CSP or EQIP CIC is not eligible for Grassland CRP.

You potentially have the converse of this in that Grassland CRP is NOT eligible for these programs.

 

[Dave]

My FSA guy has said that they might have emergency money to use. Two problems. The first is about a million acres have burned. That is a lot of emergency. The second is the fact we are very near the end of the fiscal year (Sept 30). Most of the money for 2024 has already been spent. And they are not sure on what the funds will be in the next fiscal year yet.
Our congressman for this area was raised on a family ranch not terrible far from here. I don't know the exact location so I don't know if it burned or not. But I am certain that he personally knows ranchers who lost a lot in these fires.

 

[Silver]

With regards to labour cost, I just had 1 mile built by a contractor for $2,800. Materials extra of course. You'd have to do the math to convert to foreign dollars.
You are sitting on a quarry so might affect things a bit.

 

[farmerjan]

About $2150-2200 US... is that a mile = 5280 ft? Not being a wise guy... is there a difference in mile length in Canada from US, like the imperial gallon to US gallon... or do you all use liters for liquid measure all the time?

 

[Silver]

About $2150-2200 US... is that a mile = 5280 ft? Not being a wise guy... is there a difference in mile length in Canada from US, like the imperial gallon to US gallon... or do you all use liters for liquid measure all the time?

We have 5280 ft in a mile but we only have 10" in a foot.

 

[Silver]

 

[puzzled in oregon]

A pound of Canadian lead is heavier than a pound of American Flour.

 

[wbvs58]

1 litre of water weighs 1 kilogram and has a volume of 1000 cubic centimeters. 1 kilometer is 1000 metres. It is all very simple and easy to work out. Water boils at 100C at sea level and freezes at 0C.

Ken

 

[simme]

Some of that metric stuff does seem simple. Until you torque a bolt to newton meters. Our US torque wrenches are in foot pounds - one pound on a one foot long wrench.

That newton sounds complex. Definition is - "the force which gives a mass of 1 kilogram an acceleration of 1 meter per second squared". Seems way more complicated than a one pound force on a one foot wrench.

 

[Little Joe]

Very similar to the English language where words can sound the same but have totally different meanings and are spelled different depending on the meaning.
There, their, they're.

 

[Brute 23]

That's is one of the funniest things on the enet. I have probably watched it 10 times and still laugh.

 

[Travlr]

So when you buy a sheet of plywood... what are the dimensions?

 

[Silver]

So when you buy a sheet of plywood... what are the dimensions?

12 hands x 24

 

[farmerjan]

12 hands x 24

At least I understand that... and that's the same as here.....

 

[farmerjan]

We have 5280 ft in a mile but we only have 10" in a foot.

So, what you are saying is your mile is only 52,800 inches (5280 x 10) and US mile is 63,360 inches..????(5280 x 12)

 

[Silver]

So, what you are saying is your mile is only 52,800 inches (5280 x 10) and US mile is 63,360 inches..????(5280 x 12)

My apologies. I have been messing around with my answers here. I guess because I'm shocked and a little dismayed that so many people south of the border know so little of their closest neighbour.

So, here goes… a mile is a mile wherever you are on land. 320 rods to be exact. A sheet of plywood 4' x 8'. A 2x4 is 1.5" x 3.5". Feet have 12" all over the world.
I believe your system of linear measurements and weight measurements are British but you guys invented your own system for liquids.

 

[farmerjan]

I thought you were messing with me a little.... and I was sorta laughing... but then, I tend to take things literally and miss the subtleties sometimes... so I had to ask that....

It's been a LOOOOOOOONG time since school and learning stuff.. and way before they even thought about trying to convert to metric here... and some of us, "old dogs" do not learn new tricks very well. So, I just wanted to be sure.....

 

[puzzled in oregon]

So, what you are saying is your mile is only 52,800 inches (5280 x 10) and US mile is 63,360 inches..????(5280 x 12)

Well done !!! You get an A+