In that case, if it's custom feeding, yes charge if its in the contract. If not custom feeding, no. The cattle industry is a gambling game, as a feedlot owner/manager, you're gambling with deaths or pregnancies if you buy heifers.SirLoin2":2jx0ejx5 said:Redluv,
What exactly do you mean by dead animals?
How long in the feedlot before death? Custom feeding or not?
Any steer or heifer that you send to a feedlot whether you relinquish ownership or not, for the duration of it’s stay, if it dies or gives birth.
That's the way it's always been and for good reason. The risk is figured in the price you're paid. Have you ever been to a registered sale where it wasn't stipulated that any injury or death to an animal is the responsibilty of the buyer from the time it leaves the sale ring? I haven't. It would be an endless nightmare for sellers if any other rule applied. It is completely and rightfully out of the hands of the seller what the animal is exposed to and how it is treated after it leaves the ring.SirLoin2":jyjca9fh said:Ga. Prime,
And what would those stipulations be?I stand against it unless you have retained ownership and then with stipulations.
For starters, that she wasn't bred after the sale and that the animal didn't die from causes accrued after the sale.
Why not after you relinquish ownership?
Are you saying caveat emptor? ( let the buyer beware )
This is what works.Brandonm22":1qdc555j said:Caveat Emptor. I sell it at the stockyard and I cash my check, I never want to see it again or hear anything about it ever again. I am not selling it with any guarantees, warranties, or promises implied or otherwise stated.
You buy a bred six year old cow from an individual, she dies on your farm while calving, should you back charge the previous owner even though there were warranties applied?SirLoin2":1vmkojj3 said:OK, now let me be a little more specific.
A backgrounder or producer ships a trailer load of heifers and steers to a feedlot and is paid cash for them.
Should he be back charged for deaths and/or pregnancies ?
“Backgrounder” being defined as : one who buys steers and heifers at sale barns (auctions) pastures them, and some times gives them feed and hay, then ships them to a feedlot.
hillsdown":28kdnbvn said:How about issuing a fat check for all of the producers out there that supply healthy cattle for the feed lots. The heifers that come in open and the steers that are banded or cut correctly. What about all the feeders that have been vaccinated and have a vet cert. with them ,as well as every feeder that is never sick a day in their life and continues to gain every day..
Feed lots already doc for heifers when they do not even know the background of the animal, they used to pay top dollar for vaccinated and animals that come in open but too many people were lying to get a premium so they stopped doing that unless they know the producer and their operation.
So in this business all you really do have is your reputation..
If they are going to back charge on the dead and prg cattle then they need to share in the premiums when the cattle bring them. :nod:SirLoin2":22ng9y7k said:Feedlot Back charging
Thid question is a spin off of “ feedlot pregnancy “.
http://www.cattletoday.com/forum/viewto ... =8&t=56539
I support feedlots back charging for pregnant and dead animals.
Where do you stand on this issue?