Silver said:Rather than worrying about profit per acre, assuming you have enough acres, best to decide on how many animals you feel comfortable running, then maximize the profit per animal.
WalnutCrest Profit per acre is the only metric related to the survivability of the enterprise. Everything else is noise (i.e. said:What are a couple of successful applications that you have seen ?
Silver said:You are of course quite welcome to follow your course, this outfit will continue to follow the same course it has for the last 70 years somehow surviving despite our own ignorance.
Stocker Steve said:WalnutCrest Profit per acre is the only metric related to the survivability of the enterprise. Everything else is noise (i.e. said:What are a couple of successful applications that you have seen ?
I don't know I understand your question.
Application of what to what?
Generally, more hoof prints per acre per day with more rotations to fresh pasture with meaningful rest between bites taken from the leaves grown results in more leaves grown in the same area in the future. More 1200 lb cows can be carried on one acre than 1800 lb cows -- they have an unfair advantage because a higher % of their daily caloric intake is used for things beyond maintenance (like storing fat, getting bred, nursing a calf) -- the bigger the cow, the higher the % of her calories are merely used for keeping her big 'ol self alive.
Also, I think people have too many bulls per female. They're not asking enough of their bulls. IMO. This in part because bulls are being retained for traits unrelated to (or possibly antagonistic to) hardiness, fertility, functionality, etc. I'm not talking about anything crazy ... but two bulls and 15 cows is not good ... neither is 4 bulls and 100 cows; three should do the job just fine (and if they don't / can't, bull selection criteria is probably worth taking a look at).
Related to this, AI is generally cheaper than feeding and housing a bull. Heck, an enterprising person could use a single bull to breed 500 females in a 45 day window ... AI 500 on timed AI ... then, 21 days later, AI any that come up open ... and immediately kick them all in with the bull you'd collected that you used in AI. The first time through the chute, you have bred 350 of the 500 ... and the second time through, you've bred 105 of the remaining 150 ... leaving 45 for the bull to cover in the last breeding period (many of whom will be sub-fertile anyhow since they didn't cycle / stick with the first two AI attempts). One could do that instead of buying 15 bulls. That'd save money and improve profit per acre (and profit per head).
Branded Angus said:Silver said:You are of course quite welcome to follow your course, this outfit will continue to follow the same course it has for the last 70 years somehow surviving despite our own ignorance.
If you have lasted 70 years and not gone bankrupt or sold out, then I would say you know what’s going on.
Very few places last that long.
Branded Angus said:I would think profit per acre would be more applicable to crops, not animals.
What if you have a good 100 acres of good pasture, but instead of running old cows from the stockyards you are engaged in high level breeding with AI and ET. How does that profit per acre figure in then? It’s more about profit per animal.