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<blockquote data-quote="Bez" data-source="post: 46579" data-attributes="member: 412"><p>Jumpins' !!!</p><p></p><p>I am in the Campground camp. Basically, I have come to find out I know nothing about cattle.</p><p></p><p>Even had a city fella try to tell me his "hay moisture meter" was better than my hands for telling if the hay was ready for baling. Funny, I took off some decent hay this year - no mould. His is already dusty. Maybe his batteries were old?</p><p></p><p>Hay protein? What is that - good quality hay can be felt and smelled. I toss the cows that do poorly as well. If yours is 10% and mine is 9% - does that make your animals happier - mine seem to do well. Tested some this time for the first time ever - funny - the piles I selected for feeding in the last trimester were the best quality by the protein meter - been doing it this way for years and it worked. Now I need a scientist to tell me what to do and at what cost?</p><p></p><p>But then again I have never heard of brangus and hangus and bramfords and steer bulls and such before - cattle were always purebred or crossed - now they do the "official names for crossed animals". Technology has gone into the vocabulary. And would someone tell me - is there really such a thing as a show barn? What in the heck are they - fancy barns with carpets and air conditioning? I have never seen one - but I am open to learning.</p><p></p><p>And do cattle get cancer and hoof (vs foot) and mouth and mad cow instead of BSE and what in the h#ll is a heiferette? Why do we have fats, over fats and greasy and such? </p><p></p><p>Where do all those people who ask about sick or dying cows / calves - who never call only but only one vet - if they even do that - who in turn never seems to have an answer - come from? Why do so many seem to be afraid to ask for a second opinion let alone a first opinion from a qualified professional? Yet they are ready to accept a diagnosis of a potentially dangerous sickness from one of us strangers?</p><p></p><p>Why do all those people out there ask things like - is it ok to graze on a certain type of grass? When in fact most of us cannot do anything more than offer an opinion - and the local ag guy who can usually give expert on the spot advice for free - is almost always the last person to be considered - it is after all his job to do this.</p><p></p><p>I think my favourite questions are the questions related to - can a cow raise a calf to a bzillion pounds in six months if it has a certain percentage of some cross added to the blood line? Like the thread asked - do we really want weaners at 1000 pounds? And can my pastures support this? Can my cows live long and productive lives if we continue to muck about with Mother Nature?</p><p></p><p>Adjusted weaning weight? When it stands on the scale - that is what it weighs. No adjustment required - other than zero the scale. Wean and weigh them all on the same day - done. Sell them and pocket whatever money - hopefully at a profit.</p><p></p><p>Someone will take offense to this because they believe they have been centred or ridiculed - not true. I understand this is a good place to get info - but ...... will someone tell me how to grow an animal that comes boxed and ready to ship to the customer - already frozen and inspected - I could cut out some middlemen and make a buck or two.</p><p></p><p>I guess I am another who is dumb as dirt. Campground - you and I are in what seems to be good company. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> :cboy: </p><p></p><p>Bez</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bez, post: 46579, member: 412"] Jumpins' !!! I am in the Campground camp. Basically, I have come to find out I know nothing about cattle. Even had a city fella try to tell me his "hay moisture meter" was better than my hands for telling if the hay was ready for baling. Funny, I took off some decent hay this year - no mould. His is already dusty. Maybe his batteries were old? Hay protein? What is that - good quality hay can be felt and smelled. I toss the cows that do poorly as well. If yours is 10% and mine is 9% - does that make your animals happier - mine seem to do well. Tested some this time for the first time ever - funny - the piles I selected for feeding in the last trimester were the best quality by the protein meter - been doing it this way for years and it worked. Now I need a scientist to tell me what to do and at what cost? But then again I have never heard of brangus and hangus and bramfords and steer bulls and such before - cattle were always purebred or crossed - now they do the "official names for crossed animals". Technology has gone into the vocabulary. And would someone tell me - is there really such a thing as a show barn? What in the heck are they - fancy barns with carpets and air conditioning? I have never seen one - but I am open to learning. And do cattle get cancer and hoof (vs foot) and mouth and mad cow instead of BSE and what in the h#ll is a heiferette? Why do we have fats, over fats and greasy and such? Where do all those people who ask about sick or dying cows / calves - who never call only but only one vet - if they even do that - who in turn never seems to have an answer - come from? Why do so many seem to be afraid to ask for a second opinion let alone a first opinion from a qualified professional? Yet they are ready to accept a diagnosis of a potentially dangerous sickness from one of us strangers? Why do all those people out there ask things like - is it ok to graze on a certain type of grass? When in fact most of us cannot do anything more than offer an opinion - and the local ag guy who can usually give expert on the spot advice for free - is almost always the last person to be considered - it is after all his job to do this. I think my favourite questions are the questions related to - can a cow raise a calf to a bzillion pounds in six months if it has a certain percentage of some cross added to the blood line? Like the thread asked - do we really want weaners at 1000 pounds? And can my pastures support this? Can my cows live long and productive lives if we continue to muck about with Mother Nature? Adjusted weaning weight? When it stands on the scale - that is what it weighs. No adjustment required - other than zero the scale. Wean and weigh them all on the same day - done. Sell them and pocket whatever money - hopefully at a profit. Someone will take offense to this because they believe they have been centred or ridiculed - not true. I understand this is a good place to get info - but ...... will someone tell me how to grow an animal that comes boxed and ready to ship to the customer - already frozen and inspected - I could cut out some middlemen and make a buck or two. I guess I am another who is dumb as dirt. Campground - you and I are in what seems to be good company. :D :cboy: Bez [/QUOTE]
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