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Subject: Part 2 of USA TODAY-- Sorry it would not copy as one
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:48:15 -0600

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In Wyoming, there have been "huge increases" in the number of domestic
horses abandoned, said Jim Schwartz, director of the Wyoming Livestock
Board.

"It used to be six or eight per year. This year so far we've had at
least 41," said Lee Romsa, Wyoming's brand commissioner. In Nevada,
officials have found 63 abandoned horses in the northern part of the
state alone in 2008 - an unprecedented situation, said Ed Foster,
spokesman for the state Department of Agriculture.

The horses Noble found were sold at auction, surprising considering
their condition, he said.

The responsibility for dealing with abandoned domestic horses generally
falls to a state's department of agriculture or a local animal control
organization, Rood said. Private animal rescue organizations often
become involved, he said.

The sale of horses is becoming "less and less" of an option, said
Patricia Evans, equine specialist at Utah State. Auctioneers screening
horses are turning them away if they don't think they will bring enough
money, she said.

Rood said another part of the abandonment problem is the closure of the
USA's last horse slaughterhouse last year in Illinois. Slaughtering
provided owners with a final option, he said.

Bruce Friedrich of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA)
said closure of American horse slaughterhouses was a necessary end to a
"horrifically abusive" practice.

Many horse owners believe their animals, if released into the wild, will
be adopted by wild herds. But "the wild horse herd will reject them in
the most violent manner," Foster said. "It ends up being a bad ending
for that horse."

DeLong reports for the Reno Gazette-Journal

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Is it all PETA's fault? I had a party here a couple weeks ago and served smoke horse meat and Gouda cheese as an appetizer. Every person here but one at least tried it. (It was eaten up in a heartbeat!) The person who wouldn't even try it cited religious reasons. Can you guess what religion?
 

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I did not mention PETA.

However they were one of the big monied lobby groups. The SPCA was another if my memory serves me correctly.

All groups that like to sound like they care - but in fact just want your dollars. If they have their way they will also ban many other things - hunting, fishing, cattle farming, dairies, hog farming and so on. Chicken industry will soon be dead in California because of the latest bans.

An old PETA saying - "Meat is murder and milk is rape".

Beware - it will come to Canada as well. The Canuckleheads in places like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver have the votes and the power that goes with it.

The horse slaughter industry is dead in the U.S. of A.

There either is a law - or there WILL BE a law soon - in the U.S. of A. - that bans transporting horses to another country for slaughter.

So the do good folks have created this problem.

I do not and will never support a horse rescue operation and I refuse to fall for the bleeding heart stories of the poor pony lost and hungry.

It was brought about by people who know nothing about agriculture and it is going to get far worse. Let the perpetrators of this crime pay for their own deeds.

As for eating horse - been there done that - many times in fact. It is excellent and I would be happy to eat it again. It is also a big time favourite in Europe.

Now - as I am not a wordly person - please let me know which religion would ever ban the eating of a horse?

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Onthebit":1nibjzq7 said:
Something in the Jewish bible prohibits the eating of anything other than cloven hoofed animals?

Interesting, the Jews in Israel who sat at my fire last week were prepared to eat it. We ate it over an open fire.

Canadian and American Jew thing?

Pigs have cloven hooves but they will not eat them.

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I don't know about it being completely dead here Bez. Since some people from peta like to cruise the different forums to find ammo to use against us I won't say on here what was written by one of my state represenatives, but put it this way, if it gets to the commitee I plan to be there to testify for it to be made into a law.
 

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Bez+":2hk397r3 said:
Onthebit":2hk397r3 said:
Something in the Jewish bible prohibits the eating of anything other than cloven hoofed animals?

Interesting, the Jews in Israel who sat at my fire last week were prepared to eat it. We ate it over an open fire.

Canadian and American Jew thing?

Pigs have cloven hooves but they will not eat them.

Bez+

It must be cloven hoofed AND chew a cud! Pigs don't chew a cud.
Where did u acquire the horse meat?
 

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Onthebit":47rg1fmz said:
Bez+":47rg1fmz said:
Onthebit":47rg1fmz said:
Something in the Jewish bible prohibits the eating of anything other than cloven hoofed animals?

Interesting, the Jews in Israel who sat at my fire last week were prepared to eat it. We ate it over an open fire.

Canadian and American Jew thing?

Pigs have cloven hooves but they will not eat them.

Bez+

It must be cloven hoofed AND chew a cud! Pigs don't chew a cud.
Where did u acquire the horse meat?

I am a Canadian military pilot on a ground job - spending a little holiday time enjoying the sun and wind - plus some interesting insect life - in the desert with a few friends from other countries. I think I am going to be here for about another 18 months and a little bit - done five and a half so far.

As such I tend to find a little "community" with those who watch over us from the air.

So to tell the truth - it was smuggled in from an unnamed European country. A friend who was on his way to deliver a "present" to the "other side" made a detour of about three kilometres and air dropped it to us on the ground.

And some ice cold chocolate mik! The first we have had since we arrived here.

It was a thankyou to me - I volunteered for a rather extended sandy duty over Christmas and New Years so a few extra guys on my team could get out for a little Christmas R&R.

Apparently my efforts to cover them off were appreciated and they spent some of their own money and broke a couple of laws to be sure we had something other than the usual government supplied food.

As their boss I really should discipline them for breaking certain national laws and possible misuse of resources - however I think I will write them up for an excellent use of initiative - adapting, improvising and overcoming a few small issues to ensure their colleagues that stayed behind got a nice meal.

Cooked it over a bunch of very dry animal manure, some small twigs of unknown origin, a bit of diesel fuel and some carboard that we use to lie on when we have a little nap.

Today I am at an OP - doing nothing and hoping nothing happens - better to be bored out of your tree than busy - worried about those I have sent out - first timers - just part of the job.

It was quite tastey and we all agreed we would happily eat it again.

Cheers

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Bez+ That is great! My mother was a paratrooper with the Canadian air force before she got married and had us. Be safe and God Bless! Merry Christmas to you and your men and women!
 

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Bez+":1sqspwkv said:
The SPCA was another if my memory serves me correctly.

Your memory does not serve you correctly. According to everything I've read, the ASPCA had absolutely nothing to do with the horse slaughter ban. It was the HSUS(Humane Society of the United States) that was a major supporter of this particular ban, and there is a big difference between the two organizations.


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if the SPCA finds animals on the brink of death from abandonment, i don't have a problem with them trying to help the animals out, I think it's good, but for the love of toast stay out of the commercial side of it, there's a limit to how pretty you can make a slaughterhouse, i've been to poultry plants, where I've experience the worst smells I have ever smelled, pork plants, which are nothing great, and beef plants.. I can't say it smells GOOD in a beef plant, but it's a cakewalk to a poultry place. i've never had horse, though i'd gladly try it, as I said, plenty of room for all creatures right next to the mashed potatoes.. I've had Moose, which I found delicious, Mountain lion (cougar) which was a coarse meat but good, the deer around our place taste like beef, and so does the beef.

Bez, I didn't know you were overseas, take care over there, we need our rural folk over here!

As I heard once somewhere.. "I support our troops, not the cause"
 

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Nesikep":1pedipp0 said:
if the SPCA finds animals on the brink of death from abandonment, i don't have a problem with them trying to help the animals out, I think it's good, but for the love of toast stay out of the commercial side of it, there's a limit to how pretty you can make a slaughterhouse, i've been to poultry plants, where I've experience the worst smells I have ever smelled, pork plants, which are nothing great, and beef plants.. I can't say it smells GOOD in a beef plant, but it's a cakewalk to a poultry place. i've never had horse, though i'd gladly try it, as I said, plenty of room for all creatures right next to the mashed potatoes.. I've had Moose, which I found delicious, Mountain lion (cougar) which was a coarse meat but good, the deer around our place taste like beef, and so does the beef.

Bez, I didn't know you were overseas, take care over there, we need our rural folk over here!

As I heard once somewhere.. "I support our troops, not the cause"

Nesi, I'll make a deal with you. You keep your opinions to yourself about the "cause" that Bez is obviously risking his life for and we will do the same. Since we're in a no-politics zone here. Thanks.
 

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Nesikep":2oycv9j2 said:
if the SPCA finds animals on the brink of death from abandonment, i don't have a problem with them trying to help the animals out, I think it's good, but for the love of toast stay out of the commercial side of it, there's a limit to how pretty you can make a slaughterhouse, i've been to poultry plants, where I've experience the worst smells I have ever smelled, pork plants, which are nothing great, and beef plants.. I can't say it smells GOOD in a beef plant, but it's a cakewalk to a poultry place. i've never had horse, though i'd gladly try it, as I said, plenty of room for all creatures right next to the mashed potatoes.. I've had Moose, which I found delicious, Mountain lion (cougar) which was a coarse meat but good, the deer around our place taste like beef, and so does the beef.

Bez, I didn't know you were overseas, take care over there, we need our rural folk over here!

As I heard once somewhere.. "I support our troops, not the cause"

That's what all the draft dodgers say as well. :mad:
 

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Ok lets get back to the original jist of the post...abandonment of horses. I just heard on the radio this morning that PETA wrote a letter to the mayor of Spearfish, SD requesting they change the name of their town. Good intentions don't always make for good business. Now that PETA, SPCA, and HSUS has gotten the horse industry into such disarray, I want to hear how they plan on fixing it. Up here two mules were found on a golf course with auction stickers on the rumps. No one came forward to claim them and after a month a local guy paid the Sheriffs Dept. $40 for both. I feel horse slaughter is a necessary evil, I would try it and probably enjoy it, but I'd never sell one of my horses knowing it would be going to slaughter. The average Joe sees horses as lovable pets and not livestock and that is how the slaughter ban was pushed into law. Now that they've ruined an industry I wonder what kind of plans they have to take in these unwanted horses. Don't think they'll stop with horses being slaughtered either...
 

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Onthebit":im6p161v said:
Something in the Jewish bible prohibits the eating of anything other than cloven hoofed animals?

If memory serves, Orthodox Jews are forbidden from eating cloven hoofed animals as they are not considered clean. I don't remember what book of the Bible that comes from, but I do remember reading it.
 

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I think it is only going to get worse...

BTW, a poster in this thread was asking where the other poster got the horse meat? Just in case anyone was wondering you can buy horse meat in Quebec, Canada and it is served in restaurants in that French Canadian Province.
 
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