Culling and replacing

I like color variety. I have reds, blacks, bald faces, blaze faces, few have little white on feet, bellies. No spots.
I tell everyone, I don't care if they are red, black or polka dotted ----- just so they are GOOD.
I actually breed every RED cow to a red bull or Hetero Black bull. I WANT reds. They are my biggest sellers. I don't worry about steer colors, because my feedlot buyer takes anything I give him. For a "moment" he tried to haggle me down from $2.50 (in Sept) on a Freemartin heifer. I said "no", she's better than the steers - and she is a steer, just has a vulva. He laughed and said, yes - said he liked all my calves because he makes money on all of them.
 
Every breed has their bad actors and Limousin had one line that had a patriarchal bull that was very calm... and sired calm animals... but for some reason the second generation removed was nuts. Just like any other breed, you can find great breeders that prioritize docility along with all the other positive traits. I don't need to say this because you already know it.

I've never had a Lim that didn't milk, but they aren't known for having pretty udders.

The big positive in Lims is the meat they put on their calves... and that translates to $ when the feedlot buyers are bidding.
when I got here my Papaw had a super nice and stout Limo bull. I kept 7 or 8 heifers out of him that last year. Only 2 of them made enough milk to properly care for a calf. I still have the two.

I assume he was a terminal type bull. His bull calves weaned around 700 pounds.
 
B has 40+ bulls in his winter bull pasture. Of them 30 are Charolais and 10 are Angus. The replacement heifers he keeps are all from the Angus. The Charolais cross calves are a terminal deal. Not to say he doesn't have a Char cow or two hanging around. He does have a small herd of Char cows which he breeds AI to raise his own bulls out of. He also buys some commercial cows on occasions. As a result he has some of every color including a few Char and Char cross cows in the commercial herd.
 
Limos & Chars were always terminal type bulls - no milk. There have been tremendous changes in all breeds, so there should be good maternal bulls to pick from.
IMHO there are not very many Simmental bulls that are not at least moderately easy calving - other than Fullblood & Canadian. I hate to use a high CE bull, but I have found some really good bulls that are CE AND GROWTH. I never like to use anything that is super CE. I don't need it. I expect my 14 month old heifers to have 85+ calves. If I find a super good bull and he happens to have super high CE, I only breed him to cows that have super poor CE EPD's.
 
Limos & Chars were always terminal type bulls - no milk. There have been tremendous changes in all breeds, so there should be good maternal bulls to pick from.
IMHO there are not very many Simmental bulls that are not at least moderately easy calving - other than Fullblood & Canadian. I hate to use a high CE bull, but I have found some really good bulls that are CE AND GROWTH. I never like to use anything that is super CE. I don't need it. I expect my 14 month old heifers to have 85+ calves. If I find a super good bull and he happens to have super high CE, I only breed him to cows that have super poor CE EPD's.

Gotta say Jeanne, you always think things through and voice it so well. It's easy to see why your animals are so consistent and capable.

But I have to say that there are plenty of Char and Lim that are every bit as good to build a herd of mother cows as there are Sim. You just have to find them and know what to look for...
 
My experience with sim calves isnt so much their weight its there square head and big front shoulders. My heifers maybe 15+ miles from home and I don't want to worry about checking them multiple times a day if one has an 85lb square brick try to come out.

I sleep easy knowing that the 85lb angus calves which are more slender in the front shoulders and head will shoot right out unassisted.
 
You guys using sim bulls on heifers, are these on sim heifers? I'm having some concern with the crossbreeding of a simmental bull on my moderate sized purebred angus.
 
You guys using sim bulls on heifers, are these on sim heifers? I'm having some concern with the crossbreeding of a simmental bull on my moderate sized purebred angus.
My heifers are crossbred Simmental. But when I say crossbred I mean 5/8 at minimum, up to at least 31/32 by now I'd think.
 
I'm having some concern with the crossbreeding of a simmental bull on my moderate sized purebred angus.
Breed the angus heifers to angus. Hybrid vigor from the british-continental cross will erase your calving ease in my opinion.

I like the shorthorn calf, Ky hills. Seen some at the sale barn and were more than I was willing to pay.
 
They sell the shorthorn or shorthorn looking calves along with the secondary (cripples, sick or just plain ugly) calves around here. The calf buyers won't touch them. Not saying its right or wrong, just the way it is. Sometimes you can buy the small ones cheap enough to make some money by raising them up as the buyers are not as picky when one of them comes through, looks beefy and weighs 700+ lbs.
 
They sell the shorthorn or shorthorn looking calves along with the secondary (cripples, sick or just plain ugly) calves around here. The calf buyers won't touch them. Not saying its right or wrong, just the way it is. Sometimes you can buy the small ones cheap enough to make some money by raising them up as the buyers are not as picky when one of them comes through, looks beefy and weighs 700+ lbs.
Some of the buying decisions that the commercial buyers make and the prices they will pay make no sense... and I don't know why they do it. If anyone can make a justifiable case why a frozen tail/ear calf should be docked heavily, or a meaty shorthorn get less than a solid black Holstein cross when they are going to slaughter in six months, I'd like to hear it. It doesn't matter how long ears are or what color a calf is when it's in the freezer.
You'd think the people they buy for would be asking them to buy those kinds of calves... to make more money.
 
Some of the buying decisions that the commercial buyers make and the prices they will pay make no sense... and I don't know why they do it. If anyone can make a justifiable case why a frozen tail/ear calf should be docked heavily, or a meaty shorthorn get less than a solid black Holstein cross when they are going to slaughter in six months, I'd like to hear it. It doesn't matter how long ears are or what color a calf is when it's in the freezer.
You'd think the people they buy for would be asking them to buy those kinds of calves... to make more money.
A lot of the Shorthorns get overly fat and thus the yield grade drops making them worth less when paid on the grid. A percentage of the frozen ear and tail calves have other internal and foot injuries caused by the cold. Thus they have more sick or lame calves both which cost the feedlot money. In both cases it is not 100% but enough to make it noticeable to the feedlots so they don't want them or buy at a discounted price. And here is see those Holstein cross calves get a discount right with the Longhorn or Correntie crosses.
 

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