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What do they cross with?Are they coys? "Pure" coyotes usually hunt in pairs or single, where coy dogs hunt like wolves.
Ken
What do they cross with?Are they coys? "Pure" coyotes usually hunt in pairs or single, where coy dogs hunt like wolves.
wild dogs.. ..seen a few dark hided ..What do they cross with?
Ken
East of the Mississippi river DNA tests show that coyotes have actually crossed with everything from domestic dogs to timber wolves. They tend to be heavier and a wide range of colors than pure bred western coyotes.What do they cross with?
Ken
I'm sure these have some mixtures in them. These coyotes are sometimes quite large I have seen a couple that it was obvious they were mixed with domestic dogs. I've also seen a few and one in particular that wondered if it was a wolf. Not uncommon to see three or more together.Are they coys? "Pure" coyotes usually hunt in pairs or single, where coy dogs hunt like wolves.
They are territorial. If you aren't having any trouble with your neighborhood coyotes, let them remain your neighborhood coyotes. Something else will fill the spot if you remove yours. It might be troublehad a big one, probably male, for 3 years on the farm and not one problem. Not many rodents either. Then someone shot it and had a pair of younger ones move in and had problems with the lambs getting killed, lost 2 calves... they were a real menance.
Well said.I guess I didn't think this would turn into a discussion about coyote management when I posted it but I will share a few thoughts. Lol.
You will never "kill them all" by shooting them. In general, coyotes aren't dumb. They pick up on hunting pressure very easily and become very good at surviving.
We have owned this farm for 5 years and there has been a total of 4 coyotes killed off of it, that was just this year. We have them thick. Basically, we just go on with normal life and if the opportunity presents itself we will try to take it. I don't even know if I would call what we have done as thinning them out, at least not much.
Also, I have not really seen the correlation between coyote presence and lack of other animals. In the past 2 weeks I have shot 6 groundhogs, my neighbor has trapped 3 and another neighbor has shot at least 7 over the past month.
We have a lot fawns running around right now, rabbits, turkeys, etc. We see plenty of fox as well. Coyote are not alone here either, as mentioned we have fox but also have quite a bit of bobcats and hawks.
Here, I believe we have the predators because we have plenty of prey. If coyotes eat everything then they will move on. They aren't going to stay where there is no food. Just my observations at my place.
I don't ever try to eliminate everything of anything. It's usually not a good thing and I don't have the time or ammo to it it anyways.
Dogs kill way more cattle than coyotes and trot home leaving the coyote to take the blame when he shows up to the free buffet.I guess I didn't think this would turn into a discussion about coyote management when I posted it but I will share a few thoughts. Lol.
You will never "kill them all" by shooting them. In general, coyotes aren't dumb. They pick up on hunting pressure very easily and become very good at surviving.
We have owned this farm for 5 years and there has been a total of 4 coyotes killed off of it, that was just this year. We have them thick. Basically, we just go on with normal life and if the opportunity presents itself we will try to take it. I don't even know if I would call what we have done as thinning them out, at least not much.
Also, I have not really seen the correlation between coyote presence and lack of other animals. In the past 2 weeks I have shot 6 groundhogs, my neighbor has trapped 3 and another neighbor has shot at least 7 over the past month.
We have a lot fawns running around right now, rabbits, turkeys, etc. We see plenty of fox as well. Coyote are not alone here either, as mentioned we have fox but also have quite a bit of bobcats and hawks.
Here, I believe we have the predators because we have plenty of prey. If coyotes eat everything then they will move on. They aren't going to stay where there is no food. Just my observations at my place.
I don't ever try to eliminate everything of anything. It's usually not a good thing and I don't have the time or ammo to it it anyways.
I agree and fortunately I haven't had either kill any livestock yet but I have caught two stray dogs trying to get into a lot that had cows that just calved. I took care of it but I'm pretty sure the cows were ready to turn them to dirt had they got in there.Dogs kill way more cattle than coyotes and trot home leaving the coyote to take the blame when he shows up to the free buffet.
Most can't read sign of dog versus coyote and it's always not my dog.
It's different here now. Used to be domestic dogs were the biggest threat to livestock. They can and will run cattle and injure them or cause them to get sick from being run. They could destroy a flock of sheep or goats in one night. We've lost several goats to dogs. They either killed them or mauled them so bad they had to be put down.Dogs kill way more cattle than coyotes and trot home leaving the coyote to take the blame when he shows up to the free buffet.
Most can't read sign of dog versus coyote and it's always not my dog.
I was always taught not to argue with the neighbour's dog. If their caught in with our livestock, they just disappear. Never to be seen again.Dogs kill way more cattle than coyotes and trot home
I had a neighbor that had a dog that was killing another neighbors' pigs. He always swore it could not be his dog doing it and refused to pen the dog. Then one day the 2nd neighbor caught the dog trying to pull a shoat through the fence. He blew its rear leg off with a shot gun. The first neighbor went to him and asked why he shot his dog. The 2nd guy said I couldn't have shot your dog; this one was killing my pigs. The first guy keeps all of his dogs penned still to this day.Most can't read sign of dog versus coyote and it's always not my dog.
I read a study a few years back and they were tracking DNA in coyotes from Canada and in the eastern USA. The major method of "transport/travel" that they documented was railroad tracks. There were no pure coyotes according to the DNA.It's different here now. Used to be domestic dogs were the biggest threat to livestock. They can and will run cattle and injure them or cause them to get sick from being run. They could destroy a flock of sheep or goats in one night. We've lost several goats to dogs. They either killed them or mauled them so bad they had to be put down.
I agree that in a lot of cases coyotes are caught eating a carcass and get blamed for it, but they absolutely will kill calves if they get a chance.
The coyotes here I believe are a different animal than ones in the southwest, these are bigger.
Used to be it was a common occurrence to find roaming dogs and frequently they caused problems. Now it's rare to see one, even though there are many more houses around and most everybody has a dog/dogs. Fortunately, it seems most folks are better about keeping their dogs contained than they used to be. I think part of it is on the count of so many coyotes, and they are known to kill dogs.
Caught these two pups out today around noon. There was a third one but I didn't see it quick enough.
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What caliber did you use? What distance did you shoot from? We are starting to have a coyote problem as well.Caught these two pups out today around noon. There was a third one but I didn't see it quick enough.
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What caliber did you use? What distance did you shoot from? We are starting to have a coyote problem as well.
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Anything they don't eat. Dogs large enough to fight them off when ganged up on... and then "play around". I knew some guys that liked to hunt them with Greyhounds... and then they began looking like they'd been breeding with greyhounds.What do they cross with?
Ken