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<blockquote data-quote="Commercialfarmer" data-source="post: 943177" data-attributes="member: 14544"><p>:lol2: All of sudden, book learning and literature isn't worth a dang? I'm trying to keep this to the topic. But son, your hopping the fence so much you'd give a white tail in gun season a run for his money. </p><p></p><p>You picked a really bad side of the argument to be on. You might want to step back and see if your answer supports your case or the opposition...... No, almost no one uses anesthesia. Do you think that will increase or lessen the pain? Let me break it down for you. What the above demonstrates is that there is increased cortisol released (a stress hormone) with decreasing levels of anesthesia. When none, is used... there will be even more. </p><p></p><p>So when you DO NOT use anesthesia, cattle will have INCREASED pain and stress. If you don't believe me, we can do a trial. Pick a bone. Since you have mirror images of each body part, we can deaden one and not the other. </p><p></p><p>When hot or dry conditions occur, I don't want a calf anymore stressed than they have to be. I also don't want to run a calf through a shoot more than I have to. So, I'm not going to delay dehorning or tipping either. I have lost a calf to blood loss as a blood clot was knocked loose. I've seen dehorned cattle become infected. Anything that knocks a calf's appetite is not beneficial. </p><p></p><p>[youtube]<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KTwnwbG9YLE?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/youtube]</p><p></p><p>[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Commercialfarmer, post: 943177, member: 14544"] :lol2: All of sudden, book learning and literature isn't worth a dang? I'm trying to keep this to the topic. But son, your hopping the fence so much you'd give a white tail in gun season a run for his money. You picked a really bad side of the argument to be on. You might want to step back and see if your answer supports your case or the opposition...... No, almost no one uses anesthesia. Do you think that will increase or lessen the pain? Let me break it down for you. What the above demonstrates is that there is increased cortisol released (a stress hormone) with decreasing levels of anesthesia. When none, is used... there will be even more. So when you DO NOT use anesthesia, cattle will have INCREASED pain and stress. If you don't believe me, we can do a trial. Pick a bone. Since you have mirror images of each body part, we can deaden one and not the other. When hot or dry conditions occur, I don't want a calf anymore stressed than they have to be. I also don't want to run a calf through a shoot more than I have to. So, I'm not going to delay dehorning or tipping either. I have lost a calf to blood loss as a blood clot was knocked loose. I've seen dehorned cattle become infected. Anything that knocks a calf's appetite is not beneficial. [youtube]<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KTwnwbG9YLE?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube] [/QUOTE]
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