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There not 5x as much as a polled, and it sure doesn't take a year to find them.
ALACOWMAN":19da1jur said:no id just call George Queener over in Ga. and pick one up... but i do agree with you about shorthorn, their rare in the south........... mostly do to popularityMassey135":19da1jur said:You'll pay 5x what an equivalent horned bull would cost for that polled bull. Not to mention it'll take you all year to locate him. Same w/ the shorthorns.
? That doesn't make any sense. I never said that there are more horned hereford than polled hereford as they are both common in my areas. It will make more sense to use a polled bull in commerical cattle business as they don't have to deal with all stresses from dehorning. Sometimes it can be messy and bloody. Also my calf is at someone's farm with an experienced cattleman that deals with dehorning as we do not have chute that year till we brought a chute four years ago. The reason why he is isolated from the herd is because we have to wean him and makes sure he don't get any infections from dehorning. Pretty sure he was stressed out from dehorning and all things going on around him, judging from his body condition and weight loss.Massey135":19xf7o3a said:Your argument just collapsed upon itself: There's more horned hereford than polled.
Your just lost considerably credibility with your account of the dehorning process. "Commercial cattleman", as you would say, would simple run the calf in the shoot, dehorn him, open the gate, and go on to the next one. I've cut off hereford cows horns as big as my arm with keystones and they'd go out and breed back a month early. Don't give me that 'stress' bs.
"With a special tool" "isolate him from the herd" - a cattleman you are not.
To be fair, I seen more polled herefords in various ranches than horned herefords, mainly in commerical herds, but I know two ranchers that has horned herefords, however they are not commerical cattlemen. One rancher used his horned hereford bull on the rodeo bucking cows, another rancher just have a herd full of registered hereford cattle (both horned and polled).Red Bull Breeder":3g2fa635 said:Dought there is many more horned than polled herefords. Been polled herefords for a long time. We had polled herefords back in the 60's.
Taurus":3hu5wxqd said:? That doesn't make any sense. I never said that there are more horned hereford than polled hereford as they are both common in my areas. It will make more sense to use a polled bull in commerical cattle business as they don't have to deal with all stresses from dehorning. Sometimes it can be messy and bloody. Also my calf is at someone's farm with an experienced cattleman that deals with dehorning as we do not have chute that year till we brought a chute four years ago. The reason why he is isolated from the herd is because we have to wean him and makes sure he don't get any infections from dehorning. Pretty sure he was stressed out from dehorning and all things going on around him, judging from his body condition and weight loss.Massey135":3hu5wxqd said:Your argument just collapsed upon itself: There's more horned hereford than polled.
Your just lost considerably credibility with your account of the dehorning process. "Commercial cattleman", as you would say, would simple run the calf in the shoot, dehorn him, open the gate, and go on to the next one. I've cut off hereford cows horns as big as my arm with keystones and they'd go out and breed back a month early. Don't give me that 'stress' bs.
"With a special tool" "isolate him from the herd" - a cattleman you are not.
I once seen a buffalo calf bleed to death while de-horn him two years ago while help out my college bud with his neighbor's buffalo ranch. It's true, there are more horned herefords out in the west as I seen them on cattle drives but in Minnesota, very few horned herefords but they are not that rare.Red Bull Breeder":5rm3p8b1 said:It would depend on what part of the country you are in. Out west you would likely see more horned than polled.
They is a little more to dehorning than ole Massey thinks. I have seen a few bleed to death.
You look it up and realize your last post was wrong? :cboy:Red Bull Breeder":2venppj5 said:It would depend on what part of the country you are in. Out west you would likely see more horned than polled.
They is a little more to dehorning than ole Massey thinks. I have seen a few bleed to death.
Ok..........just let you know that I'm deaf so I don't use English but my family and my grandparents are commerical cattlemen and I'm still building a good facilities on the new ranch land. Not mentioned that it was 8 years ago when we had that horned calf. Also I don't think I ever seen any horned bulls in the commerical herds around here.Massey135":2eg90auq said:Taurus":2eg90auq said:? That doesn't make any sense. I never said that there are more horned hereford than polled hereford as they are both common in my areas. It will make more sense to use a polled bull in commerical cattle business as they don't have to deal with all stresses from dehorning. Sometimes it can be messy and bloody. Also my calf is at someone's farm with an experienced cattleman that deals with dehorning as we do not have chute that year till we brought a chute four years ago. The reason why he is isolated from the herd is because we have to wean him and makes sure he don't get any infections from dehorning. Pretty sure he was stressed out from dehorning and all things going on around him, judging from his body condition and weight loss.Massey135":2eg90auq said:Your argument just collapsed upon itself: There's more horned hereford than polled.
Your just lost considerably credibility with your account of the dehorning process. "Commercial cattleman", as you would say, would simple run the calf in the shoot, dehorn him, open the gate, and go on to the next one. I've cut off hereford cows horns as big as my arm with keystones and they'd go out and breed back a month early. Don't give me that 'stress' bs.
"With a special tool" "isolate him from the herd" - a cattleman you are not.
Dude, you're out classed. Cattlemen don't speak in these terms.
I said there were more horned bulls. You said "commercial cattlemen" don't want horned bulls. You're wrong.
Dehorning is elementary for cattleman;not a task that takes an experienced cattlemen. Cattleman find the measures you took as unnecessary. If he was stressed, it was bc he was isolated, not bc of the dehorning.
Without a chute, rope him and tie his head to a post. Surely, a cattleman such as yourself can rope?
So some cows shoulda never been dehorned but its okay for other cows to be dehorned?Massey135":1w9keacp said:You look it up and realize your last post was wrong? :cboy:Red Bull Breeder":1w9keacp said:It would depend on what part of the country you are in. Out west you would likely see more horned than polled.
They is a little more to dehorning than ole Massey thinks. I have seen a few bleed to death.
I've dehorned a lot of cows, BB - I'm sure you have too. Most cattle are unaffected especially calves. I'v only had a couple cases of flystrike ever and iv never had any problems just turning em out.
The cows you're talking bout shoulda never been dehorned.
Massey135":c1fs2cp4 said:You look it up and realize your last post was wrong? :cboy:Red Bull Breeder":c1fs2cp4 said:It would depend on what part of the country you are in. Out west you would likely see more horned than polled.
They is a little more to dehorning than ole Massey thinks. I have seen a few bleed to death.
I've dehorned a lot of cows, BB - I'm sure you have too. Most cattle are unaffected especially calves. I'v only had a couple cases of flystrike ever and iv never had any problems just turning em out.
The cows you're talking bout shoulda never been dehorned.
Massey135":1ft9yr5k said:I've cut off hereford cows horns as big as my arm with keystones and they'd go out and breed back a month early.