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<blockquote data-quote="cotton1" data-source="post: 1388519" data-attributes="member: 14689"><p>Thanks for the article Mossy Dell. I enjoyed it. Its a good topic to discuss in my opinion.</p><p></p><p>Im currently breeding towards smaller cows, and "middling EPDs" are becoming better overall value in my mind. Everything has a cost like the article says. High growth has converted into larger frame, high milk can convert into hard keepers and reproduction problems etc. But we have been told that more is better by folks selling bulls with more WW or more YW or more milk. We have been told more is better by county agents who need to support those breeders, and by folks who sell minerals, fertilizers, you name it. Plus we are competitive by nature and when bull shopping feel like more WW,YW,Milk whatever will really mean more in our bank accounts.</p><p></p><p>Anyway Im glad to read the article state the obvious change in frame sizes. I have had several discussions with fellow breeders that have watched as Angus selected for growth to compete with Charolais(and others,we are Char breeders) and the Angus herd seemingly becoming larger framed animals. Flip the coin and Charolais has selected for easier calving to overcome the calving issues with larger framed cattle and seem to be getting smaller. </p><p></p><p>I know there is a lot more to it, but it just seems to me the units of measure have made a mess out of our current herd. EPDs are comparisons that have been used to rate cattle in totally different areas of the country with different growing conditions. I wonder if in herd ratios are not better assessment tools. </p><p></p><p>Cotton1</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cotton1, post: 1388519, member: 14689"] Thanks for the article Mossy Dell. I enjoyed it. Its a good topic to discuss in my opinion. Im currently breeding towards smaller cows, and "middling EPDs" are becoming better overall value in my mind. Everything has a cost like the article says. High growth has converted into larger frame, high milk can convert into hard keepers and reproduction problems etc. But we have been told that more is better by folks selling bulls with more WW or more YW or more milk. We have been told more is better by county agents who need to support those breeders, and by folks who sell minerals, fertilizers, you name it. Plus we are competitive by nature and when bull shopping feel like more WW,YW,Milk whatever will really mean more in our bank accounts. Anyway Im glad to read the article state the obvious change in frame sizes. I have had several discussions with fellow breeders that have watched as Angus selected for growth to compete with Charolais(and others,we are Char breeders) and the Angus herd seemingly becoming larger framed animals. Flip the coin and Charolais has selected for easier calving to overcome the calving issues with larger framed cattle and seem to be getting smaller. I know there is a lot more to it, but it just seems to me the units of measure have made a mess out of our current herd. EPDs are comparisons that have been used to rate cattle in totally different areas of the country with different growing conditions. I wonder if in herd ratios are not better assessment tools. Cotton1 [/QUOTE]
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