Brandonm22":3rlxetrd said:Are you SURE you BCSed them accurately??? You said you adjusted #39 down by 75 lbs so you scored her at a 6??? Just judging from that pic I don't think I would have gone near that high. #77 is a main battle tank kind of cow. I love that super easy fleshing ability she has. I would like to see that on a small framed cow. #77 is easily a six (7??). She looks at least one condition score more than #39.
JRGidaho`":3jw2dkew said:Brandonm22":3jw2dkew said:Are you SURE you BCSed them accurately??? You said you adjusted #39 down by 75 lbs so you scored her at a 6??? Just judging from that pic I don't think I would have gone near that high. #77 is a main battle tank kind of cow. I love that super easy fleshing ability she has. I would like to see that on a small framed cow. #77 is easily a six (7??). She looks at least one condition score more than #39.
Looking at the brisket fill and fat creases behind the neck and shoulder on both animals, they look pretty similar BCS to me. I don't think 77 is much over a mid-6 BCS. Certainly not a 7, otherwise I've been calling BCS 8 cows BCS 7 all my life. The worst I could do for 39 would be call her a low 6.
SR, what's the age difference in these cows?
rockridgecattle":3hqoubui said:... some advice our vet gave us last fall when we worked our herd.
1. problem cows. Included cows with medical, genetic and disposition problems we shipped both the cow and calf at this time (august)
2. cows on the aged list, the older ones who might not make a it through the rough year, this was done at weaning
3. then the vet came in and preg checked the cows. OUr thought was anything open was going on the truck
As it happened, our best cow was being preg checked. She was heavy, summered well on poor pasture, had a decent bag etc. The vet took one look at her and asked what her calf was like. I said mid range, nothing to stop the presses. Her words were..."SHIP HER" NOW! Now that was a stunner. So me in my stuper asked why. Here was her answer paraphrased:
If she is not bringing in the best calf at her weight and shape, she is not a good converter of food or pounds in relation to her calf. In effect she is putting the weight into herself and not into what she should be doing, pounds in her calf, effectively paying for herself. So you are feeding an unproductive cow getting a mid weight calf, loosing money in the feed she eats....
We shipped her...... i think alot has to do with getting rid of the free loaders. When i say free loaders i mean the ones who have a calf but are not putting the energy into the calf but themselvesmake sense?
If a cow can raise a calf equal to the rest of the cattle in the herd while maintaining her own body weight to me that is a good cow. It does not take a lot of forage to maintain good BCS. People seem to forget that sooner or later that cow has to regain the weight lost. That takes a lot of forage. I also question the calf. Is the calf getting so much milk from the cow that it does not hustle for its own forage?AudieWyoming":1gf0rfjs said:rockridgecattle":1gf0rfjs said:... some advice our vet gave us last fall when we worked our herd.
1. problem cows. Included cows with medical, genetic and disposition problems we shipped both the cow and calf at this time (august)
2. cows on the aged list, the older ones who might not make a it through the rough year, this was done at weaning
3. then the vet came in and preg checked the cows. OUr thought was anything open was going on the truck
As it happened, our best cow was being preg checked. She was heavy, summered well on poor pasture, had a decent bag etc. The vet took one look at her and asked what her calf was like. I said mid range, nothing to stop the presses. Her words were..."SHIP HER" NOW! Now that was a stunner. So me in my stuper asked why. Here was her answer paraphrased:
If she is not bringing in the best calf at her weight and shape, she is not a good converter of food or pounds in relation to her calf. In effect she is putting the weight into herself and not into what she should be doing, pounds in her calf, effectively paying for herself. So you are feeding an unproductive cow getting a mid weight calf, loosing money in the feed she eats....
We shipped her...... i think alot has to do with getting rid of the free loaders. When i say free loaders i mean the ones who have a calf but are not putting the energy into the calf but themselvesmake sense?
I know this is an old thread but being new to the site I just spent the evening reading the whole thread. There is a lot of good discussion. Here is one I thought was dead on.
