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<blockquote data-quote="simme" data-source="post: 1652045" data-attributes="member: 40418"><p>I found this interesting. It covers distrust in previous years. <a href="https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2020/11/23/trump-giuliani-should-accept-election-results-weve-had-enough-crazy/6378253002/" target="_blank">Trump, Giuliani should accept election results. We've had enough crazy (courier-journal.com)</a></p><p></p><p>This is not a new thing. When elections are reasonably close, the losing side has a hard time accepting the outcome - regardless of party. Is there voter fraud? I am sure there is every time - some accidental and some on purpose. Is it big enough to affect the outcome? Probably not. Has it ever affected the outcome of an election? Most likely has, probably not in a presidential election, but who knows. Should we be concerned about the integrity of the process? Absolutely! Should more be done to ensure that only legally registered voters be allowed to cast only one ballot? How could anyone disagree with that? Should we all accept the outcome when the vote was fair and honest? That is the basis of our country. Is it OK to cheat if your side wins? Not in my opinion, but I sadly think many people would disagree.</p><p>Should we have a uniform set of rules for elections for all states? That merits discussion, but our country was founded on the idea to limit federal government with states retaining power to make decisions and rules for themselves. I think many overlook this now and would like to see the federal government have MORE power.</p><p>One issue I see is with voter registration lists. People move and register based on their new address. I suspect we do a POOR job of removing the voter from the voter list at the old address. If we are going to mail ballots to everyone on every list, there should be a system in place to ensure that each legally registered voter is only on one list. How do we get the dead people off the lists? When people are registered at shopping malls, what systems are in place to ensure that they are legally eligible to vote? I just don't know the answer to that. I think the more mobile/transient a person is, the more likely they are to have multiple voter registrations. After 30 years at my previous address, my wife and I built a new house and moved 6 years ago. We went to the county registration office to register at our new address. Soon after we moved, my son received in the mail a voter registration card at our new address (he does not live here). He had moved away from the old address years before we moved. He does not have any idea why he received a new voter registration card at our new address. He did nothing to request a new registration.</p><p></p><p>I believe that political contributions to candidates should ONLY come from individuals eligible to vote in the election for that candidate. Not from out of state/district/county and not from companies or groups. We have gone way too far with money spent and where money comes from.</p><p></p><p>Now here is where I open myself up for criticism. People can come to this country and become a citizen. They have to take a test about our country and rules. They study for that test. People born in this country do not have to demonstrate any understanding of anything in order to participate. Would it be beneficial to have all voters have some basic understanding of a few principles?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="simme, post: 1652045, member: 40418"] I found this interesting. It covers distrust in previous years. [URL='https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2020/11/23/trump-giuliani-should-accept-election-results-weve-had-enough-crazy/6378253002/']Trump, Giuliani should accept election results. We've had enough crazy (courier-journal.com)[/URL] This is not a new thing. When elections are reasonably close, the losing side has a hard time accepting the outcome - regardless of party. Is there voter fraud? I am sure there is every time - some accidental and some on purpose. Is it big enough to affect the outcome? Probably not. Has it ever affected the outcome of an election? Most likely has, probably not in a presidential election, but who knows. Should we be concerned about the integrity of the process? Absolutely! Should more be done to ensure that only legally registered voters be allowed to cast only one ballot? How could anyone disagree with that? Should we all accept the outcome when the vote was fair and honest? That is the basis of our country. Is it OK to cheat if your side wins? Not in my opinion, but I sadly think many people would disagree. Should we have a uniform set of rules for elections for all states? That merits discussion, but our country was founded on the idea to limit federal government with states retaining power to make decisions and rules for themselves. I think many overlook this now and would like to see the federal government have MORE power. One issue I see is with voter registration lists. People move and register based on their new address. I suspect we do a POOR job of removing the voter from the voter list at the old address. If we are going to mail ballots to everyone on every list, there should be a system in place to ensure that each legally registered voter is only on one list. How do we get the dead people off the lists? When people are registered at shopping malls, what systems are in place to ensure that they are legally eligible to vote? I just don't know the answer to that. I think the more mobile/transient a person is, the more likely they are to have multiple voter registrations. After 30 years at my previous address, my wife and I built a new house and moved 6 years ago. We went to the county registration office to register at our new address. Soon after we moved, my son received in the mail a voter registration card at our new address (he does not live here). He had moved away from the old address years before we moved. He does not have any idea why he received a new voter registration card at our new address. He did nothing to request a new registration. I believe that political contributions to candidates should ONLY come from individuals eligible to vote in the election for that candidate. Not from out of state/district/county and not from companies or groups. We have gone way too far with money spent and where money comes from. Now here is where I open myself up for criticism. People can come to this country and become a citizen. They have to take a test about our country and rules. They study for that test. People born in this country do not have to demonstrate any understanding of anything in order to participate. Would it be beneficial to have all voters have some basic understanding of a few principles? [/QUOTE]
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