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Cut out co-synch
By Dairy Herd staff | Thursday, November 13, 2008

Producers leave a lot of conception rate on the table with a co-synch protocol, says Paul Fricke, University of Wisconsin dairy cattle reproduction specialist. A co-synch protocol calls for timed AI at the time of the second GnRH injection following the prostaglandin injection of an Ovsynch protocol.

While co-synch makes a lot of sense from a labor and cow-movement perspective, it does not mesh well with the timing of ovulation.

Research data show that it does not make physiological sense to combine Ovsynch (which calls for breeding cows 16 hours following the second GnRH injection), precisely synchronizing the time of ovulation, with a predetermined time of AI that is suboptimal, as is the case with co-synch, explains Fricke.

Recent research indicates that Ovsynch is the most logical recommendation for an optimized protocol based on the data, as well as the physiology of timing of AI in relation to ovulation, he adds.

According to University of Wisconsin research published in the March Journal of Dairy Science, first-lactation cows undergoing Ovsynch had a significantly higher conception rate (37 percent versus 31 percent) when compared to a co-synch protocol. The effect was even higher among older cows (47 percent conception rate for Ovsynch versus 25 percent for co-synch).

One of the most common approaches to Ovsynch implementation is to administer the first GnRH injection and the prostaglandin injection in the morning of the prescribed schedule, administer the second injection of GnRH two days later in the afternoon, and then schedule the timed AI for the following morning, says Fricke.
 
hillsdown":127t0pn8 said:
Huh??????
It truly is Friday and i am brain dead..
So exactly what is the best timed AI protocol??

The one where you heat detect and time your AI to be about 12 hours after the onset of standing heat.

I've used a program called Cidr deluxe, which is very similarto the OVsync, this year, actually the vet did as I was still in hospital at the time, the early indications (from what I observed rather than palpation) looks like it yielded a 80% conception rate on the timed AI. It was rather pricey though.

day 0 CIDR in + Ciderol
day 8 2cc Estrumate
day 10 CIDR out + 1.25 Folligon
day 12 AI +2.5cc Fertagyl
 
I learned the hard way that timed AI on beef cows doesn't work real well. Tried it two years and the conception rates were bad to put it mildly.

This year I used the CIDR's, and then heat detected and AI'd. Palpation for pregnancy looks to have a 75% conception rate. I'll know alot more by Feb 15. If all I did was farm, I would just watch the girls and AI on natural heats. But day job, planting season, etc doesn't make that possible at this time.
 
bandit80":2y703ffu said:
I learned the hard way that timed AI on beef cows doesn't work real well. Tried it two years and the conception rates were bad to put it mildly.

This year I used the CIDR's, and then heat detected and AI'd. Palpation for pregnancy looks to have a 75% conception rate. I'll know alot more by Feb 15. If all I did was farm, I would just watch the girls and AI on natural heats. But day job, planting season, etc doesn't make that possible at this time.

Depends on the imte available. We heat detect for about 45 minutes in the morning and again in the evening. And until I got to thep oint that I couldn;t AI as easily as I used to that was all we ever did, never had a bull on the place till a couple of years ago.
 
Well, to cut costs this next breeding season we are going back to the old fashioned way, estrumate all that we want to AI and only breed those we see in standing heat..CIDRS are expensive and the whole thing is time consuming which also costs us money in the end.

Then the bull will get the rest. I wish we could AI the whole herd and not have a bull, but that at this time is unrealistic for us.

Thanks for the info Dun. :tiphat:
 
hillsdown":2yhnsk7l said:
Well, to cut costs this next breeding season we are going back to the old fashioned way, estrumate all that we want to AI and only breed those we see in standing heat..CIDRS are expensive and the whole thing is time consuming which also costs us money in the end.

Then the bull will get the rest. I wish we could AI the whole herd and not have a bull, but that at this time is unrealistic for us.

Thanks for the info Dun. :tiphat:

I think we are going with just estrumate or lutalyse this year also. Last year we tried breeding on natural heats, but after 21 days, had 12 cows that we had not seen in heat. Gave them all lutalyse and 11 came in. Watching for natural heats with cattle on pasture is way too much pain. Sorting out 2 or 3 to breed twice a day is time consuming. This year we're going to give 2 shots of lutalyse and see what kind of results we get.
 
I think the cheapest way (well, strickly observing is the best & cheapest) - but the cheapest way to sync, is to observe & breed for 5 days, than give 1 shot to those that have not been bred, and breed on standing heats.
If you don't have the 5 days - give 1 shot lut, than about 11 days later (I'd have to read the bottle), give 2nd shot - breed on observed standing heats.
 
Jeanne - Simme Valley":22rnls0b said:
I think the cheapest way (well, strickly observing is the best & cheapest) - but the cheapest way to sync, is to observe & breed for 5 days, than give 1 shot to those that have not been bred, and breed on standing heats.
If you don't have the 5 days - give 1 shot lut, than about 11 days later (I'd have to read the bottle), give 2nd shot - breed on observed standing heats.

If we're going to do it or force someone in that we haven't observed, a shot of GnRH followed 7 days later by PGF2 then breed on observed heats
 
dun":is9cbqwf said:
Jeanne - Simme Valley":is9cbqwf said:
I think the cheapest way (well, strickly observing is the best & cheapest) - but the cheapest way to sync, is to observe & breed for 5 days, than give 1 shot to those that have not been bred, and breed on standing heats.
If you don't have the 5 days - give 1 shot lut, than about 11 days later (I'd have to read the bottle), give 2nd shot - breed on observed standing heats.

If we're going to do it or force someone in that we haven't observed, a shot of GnRH followed 7 days later by PGF2 then breed on observed heats

What was your success rate doing this?

I'll go back to using the two shots of Estrumate (instead of Lutalyse) like Jeanne described. I've had very good success doing that in the past.
 
KNERSIE":25xgxfho said:
What was your success rate doing this?

I'll go back to using the two shots of Estrumate (instead of Lutalyse) like Jeanne described. I've had very good success doing that in the past.

We only rarely doi it. This year was the first time we had one that didn;t settle to AI on the induced heat. We did 2 cows that calved right at the end of the normal calving season and were about 3 weeks behind everyone else. The one that didn;t settle to AI also didn;t settle to the clean up bull.
 

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