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<blockquote data-quote="cotton1" data-source="post: 1384713" data-attributes="member: 14689"><p>I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think the gene pool should be smaller and if everybody just cloned cattle over and over, that would sure do it. There are so many possible genetic matches in a single mating that I don't know if the "best ones" could ever be found to clone. Then aren't we just accepting what we have today as the best it can be? </p><p></p><p>If thats right, then thats a lot different from the breeding ideology of today, where we try to correct cattle by breeding cows who are weak milkers to bulls who are known to be a milk adder, or by using EPDs etc. Its irony to me is the cloning presents some of the same arguments that I have for linebreeding, of which I am a proponent.</p><p></p><p>What about the cost though? I can leave a bull in my pasture for 8 years if he is good enough to breed and have a very tight bred group of cattle assuming he has bred his daughters and granddaughters. The good ones keep producing more and the not so good ones become beef, which is the point anyway.Thats relatively cheap to the bottom line, here anyway. How much do we spend on cloning in a year or 5 year stretch to keep the same cattle?</p><p></p><p>Science just might make it economically something of a problem. I have experienced this with the row crop sector of my farm. Before round-up ready and in its early days, seed cost were a reasonable part of the bottom line. Now there is a seed cost which is reasonable, and a tech fee that is 5 times the cost of the seed. Add that to the fact that I cant save my best seed back anymore like Grandpa did, and now Im forced to buy new seed with tech fees every single year. It is becoming the common place that the tech fees gobble up what used to be my profit, thus making it worthless to even try.</p><p></p><p>Some science is good, but its hard to beat what the good Lord put into place. Too much science might leave a lot of would be cattlemen and women without a job. Seems to me what cost too much for the typical farmer, might be an attraction for a large company with the cash flow. It can happen quick too, Round up ready technology came out in the 90s. We could be one generation away from family farms and ranches, to working for the conglomerate that bought up the science, the rights to the gene pool we used to use, and the land we used to own for $10/hour.</p><p></p><p>Just my initial thoughts, but I have never really pondered cloning a whole lot.Is there a use for this I'm not seeing?</p><p></p><p>Cotton1</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cotton1, post: 1384713, member: 14689"] I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think the gene pool should be smaller and if everybody just cloned cattle over and over, that would sure do it. There are so many possible genetic matches in a single mating that I don't know if the "best ones" could ever be found to clone. Then aren't we just accepting what we have today as the best it can be? If thats right, then thats a lot different from the breeding ideology of today, where we try to correct cattle by breeding cows who are weak milkers to bulls who are known to be a milk adder, or by using EPDs etc. Its irony to me is the cloning presents some of the same arguments that I have for linebreeding, of which I am a proponent. What about the cost though? I can leave a bull in my pasture for 8 years if he is good enough to breed and have a very tight bred group of cattle assuming he has bred his daughters and granddaughters. The good ones keep producing more and the not so good ones become beef, which is the point anyway.Thats relatively cheap to the bottom line, here anyway. How much do we spend on cloning in a year or 5 year stretch to keep the same cattle? Science just might make it economically something of a problem. I have experienced this with the row crop sector of my farm. Before round-up ready and in its early days, seed cost were a reasonable part of the bottom line. Now there is a seed cost which is reasonable, and a tech fee that is 5 times the cost of the seed. Add that to the fact that I cant save my best seed back anymore like Grandpa did, and now Im forced to buy new seed with tech fees every single year. It is becoming the common place that the tech fees gobble up what used to be my profit, thus making it worthless to even try. Some science is good, but its hard to beat what the good Lord put into place. Too much science might leave a lot of would be cattlemen and women without a job. Seems to me what cost too much for the typical farmer, might be an attraction for a large company with the cash flow. It can happen quick too, Round up ready technology came out in the 90s. We could be one generation away from family farms and ranches, to working for the conglomerate that bought up the science, the rights to the gene pool we used to use, and the land we used to own for $10/hour. Just my initial thoughts, but I have never really pondered cloning a whole lot.Is there a use for this I'm not seeing? Cotton1 [/QUOTE]
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