Cliven Bundy

[fenceman]

Hurley, you know you're arguing with a bunch of crazy people?

I'm counting this as a compliment...... :mrgreen:

 

[Caustic Burno]

Irrelevant how you, I or even Washington thought of himself at the time.
The British Crown and the Colonial Tories certainly believed and thought of Washington and the others as rebels and anarchists at the time. King George put a price on General Washington's head, one which his 'hired' Hessians wished to collect.
Washington himself had a very dim and mistrusting view of government--all government. At best, he saw it only as a necessary evil.

Those of you in Georgia and other places not even near the conflicts here. ??

Kathie--the world and history are filled with instances where those from afar identified fully and justly with strife and events from another part of the country or the world. Thank heavens that General Lafayette and his troops, from half a world away understood liberty, long before electronic media came to be, as did the Kentuckians and Tennesseans in 1836 even before they arrived in Bexar Texas. There are few here, that have not been touched by govt overstep and over reach at some time in our lives--this is not just a local matter, and that is evident by the national and even global interest and news commentary, as well as thread after thread on social media. To even think otherwise is rather ridiculous in this time and age. It's like saying none of us can understand or feel the tragedy that befell the northern ranchers at the hands of last years early and severe blizzard, or that you cannot feel or understand what misery a hurricane can bring to the Gulf Coast.

Amen GB no different IMO than the Tennesseans rushing to the aide of Texicans .
They arrived in Bexar on Febuary 9 180 years ago to die standing a wall for freedom on March 6 th.
Many of the grievances are the same as the day.

They were fighting the policies of centralism government of total control.

The most ironic is they were fighting for the same causes as the South one group are hero's the other villains.
Just depends on who's Ox is gettin gored and the writer of the story.

 

[ez14]

Irrelevant how you, I or even Washington thought of himself at the time.
The British Crown and the Colonial Tories certainly believed and thought of Washington and the others as rebels and anarchists at the time. King George put a price on General Washington's head, one which his 'hired' Hessians wished to collect.
Washington himself had a very dim and mistrusting view of government--all government. At best, he saw it only as a necessary evil.

Those of you in Georgia and other places not even near the conflicts here. ??

Kathie--the world and history are filled with instances where those from afar identified fully and justly with strife and events from another part of the country or the world. Thank heavens that General Lafayette and his troops, from half a world away understood liberty, long before electronic media came to be, as did the Kentuckians and Tennesseans in 1836 even before they arrived in Bexar Texas. There are few here, that have not been touched by govt overstep and over reach at some time in our lives--this is not just a local matter, and that is evident by the national and even global interest and news commentary, as well as thread after thread on social media. To even think otherwise is rather ridiculous in this time and age. It's like saying none of us can understand or feel the tragedy that befell the northern ranchers at the hands of last years early and severe blizzard, or that you cannot feel or understand what misery a hurricane can bring to the Gulf Coast.

Amen GB no different IMO than the Tennesseans rushing to the aide of Texicans .
They arrived in Bexar on Febuary 9 180 years ago to die standing a wall for freedom on March 6 th.
Many of the grievances are the same as the day.

They were fighting the policies of centralism government of total control.

The most ironic is they were fighting for the same causes as the South one group are hero's the other villains.
Just depends on who's Ox is gettin gored and the writer of the story.

their both hero's to me

 

[Bigfoot]

Wonder why they waited so long to nab Bundy? He's owed em money for years.

 

[Jogeephus]

Wonder why they waited so long to nab Bundy? He's owed em money for years.

Doesn't Al Sharpton owe them more? What's going on with that?

 

[greybeard]

It was more politically expedient to do it now--iow, orders from on high to nab him while he was in Portland, a left leaning location instead of at his ranch.

 

[Commercialfarmer]

Wonder why they waited so long to nab Bundy? He's owed em money for years.

Doesn't Al Sharpton owe them more? What's going on with that?

Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner folks.


But who cares how many federal employees and politicians owe them money and the totals? Or politician friends.


The people complaining about Bundy don't see that as a problem.


It's about faith. Some people just don't have faith that they can survive in a world without a king. It's an age old problem. Some have faith that all they need is a chance and God will provide. The ones that need a king hate them and the freedom they stand for.

 

[W.T]

Wonder why they waited so long to nab Bundy? He's owed em money for years.

Doesn't Al Sharpton owe them more? What's going on with that?

Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner folks.


But who cares how many federal employees and politicians owe them money and the totals? Or politician friends.


The people complaining about Bundy don't see that as a problem.




It's about faith. Some people just don't have faith that they can survive in a world without a king. It's an age old problem. Some have faith that all they need is a chance and God will provide. The ones that need a king hate them and the freedom they stand for.

Al Sharpton, Harry Reid, Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton should be sharing a cell with Cliven Bundy.

 

[dun]

Al Sharpton, Harry Reid, Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton should be sharing a cell with Cliven Bundy.

I don;t think he did anything near bad enough to deserve that kind of punishment

 

[fenceman]

Al Sharpton, Harry Reid, Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton should be sharing a cell with Cliven Bundy.

I don;t think he did anything near bad enough to deserve that kind of punishment

I don't normally waste space to lol but that's funny. :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

 

[bball]

You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.


Owned: ​belonging to or ​controlled by.

You ever tried controlling the land? Ever tried selling it? Ever tried to farm if, cut timber, rent it? Ever tried to pitch a tent on it and claim it belongs to you?

When it is controlled by a very few people that makes all decisions regarding its use, what gives you the feeling you own it? Can you ban people from entering it? Are there entities that can ban you?

Maybe it's my morphine high, but I think a lot of people are real confused on what it means to own and control something.

Excellent post CF. I am genuinely perplexed at folks who believe simply because they are a tax payer, they are 'owners' of state or federal properties, utilities, right of ways ,etc. How much of I-65 is mine? The local school my tax dollars build and maintain? My county run hospital? Local military installations? Why do I have to still pay an entrance fee to visit 'my' state parks? We may 'own' these things in some folks minds, but until you have lived out west and dealt with some of these govt agencies (or even east for that matter) all you have bought is an idea or concept, because reality is this, the property manager is a real SOB. We keep going down this road and 'we the people' will be shareholders in 'everything'- socialism much? Or maybe it will be socialism with a dash of communism for flavor (read safety).

 

[Jogeephus]

Al Sharpton, Harry Reid, Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton should be sharing a cell with Cliven Bundy.

I don;t think he did anything near bad enough to deserve that kind of punishment

Cruel and unusual punishment comes to mind.

 

[Bigfoot]

Wonder why they waited so long to nab Bundy? He's owed em money for years.

Doesn't Al Sharpton owe them more? What's going on with that?

$4,500,000.00.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner folks.


But who cares how many federal employees and politicians owe them money and the totals? Or politician friends.


The people complaining about Bundy don't see that as a problem.


It's about faith. Some people just don't have faith that they can survive in a world without a king. It's an age old problem. Some have faith that all they need is a chance and God will provide. The ones that need a king hate them and the freedom they stand for.

God warned the Israelites that they would be better off without a King, but they pleaded for a King. If you read the book of the King's, you'll find out how good that turned out.

 

[Cross-7]

Wonder why they waited so long to nab Bundy? He's owed em money for years.

Doesn't Al Sharpton owe them more? What's going on with that?

Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner folks.


But who cares how many federal employees and politicians owe them money and the totals? Or politician friends.


The people complaining about Bundy don't see that as a problem.


It's about faith. Some people just don't have faith that they can survive in a world without a king. It's an age old problem. Some have faith that all they need is a chance and God will provide. The ones that need a king hate them and the freedom they stand for.

+1

 

[gimpyrancher]

I agree with most of what you stated, but when the law is abused by those in power for political gain at the expense of law abiding citizens, your saying to live with it. I don't think so.

Then again, we have been living with it for a few decades. We could use that which "they" fear the most, our Vote.

Seems to me there are more than enough criminals on both sides. Meaning, Government/Private. However, change is in the air.

One vote can change one of the problems. Only meaningful jobs can change the other. :deadhorse:

 

[gimpyrancher]

Dave,

> The problem with all this is it was done wrong and took the attention away from the original issue of the Hammonds.

And yet the Hammonds wanted nothing to do with the protesters.

> You have a fire to burn a little trash in your backyard, it gets away and burns your neighbor's roses, you don't get five years as a terrorist. You have to pay for some roses.

Perhaps you misrepresented the facts of the situation. The Hammond were part of a large scale poaching ring. Not sure who's land they hunted on. However, apparently they started the fire to hide the evidence of the poaching operation. The fire got out of control. It was mostly federal land that was damaged. They had their day in court. Got a sentence far under mandatory guidelines. Their short time inside got noticed. It was looked into and corrected, without the perpetrators getting their hands slapped.

Pay for a few roses and get a free pass? Okay.

 

[W.T]

Dave,

> The problem with all this is it was done wrong and took the attention away from the original issue of the Hammonds.

And yet the Hammonds wanted nothing to do with the protesters.

> You have a fire to burn a little trash in your backyard, it gets away and burns your neighbor's roses, you don't get five years as a terrorist. You have to pay for some roses.

Perhaps you misrepresented the facts of the situation. The Hammond were part of a large scale poaching ring. Not sure who's land they hunted on. However, apparently they started the fire to hide the evidence of the poaching operation. The fire got out of control. It was mostly federal land that was damaged. They had their day in court. Got a sentence far under mandatory guidelines. Their short time inside got noticed. It was looked into and corrected, without the perpetrators getting their hands slap
Pay for a few roses and get a free pass? Okay.

Were the Hammond's ever convicted of poaching??? Was the large poaching Ring brought to justice???

 

[dun]

Dave,

> The problem with all this is it was done wrong and took the attention away from the original issue of the Hammonds.

And yet the Hammonds wanted nothing to do with the protesters.

> You have a fire to burn a little trash in your backyard, it gets away and burns your neighbor's roses, you don't get five years as a terrorist. You have to pay for some roses.

Perhaps you misrepresented the facts of the situation. The Hammond were part of a large scale poaching ring. Not sure who's land they hunted on. However, apparently they started the fire to hide the evidence of the poaching operation. The fire got out of control. It was mostly federal land that was damaged. They had their day in court. Got a sentence far under mandatory guidelines. Their short time inside got noticed. It was looked into and corrected, without the perpetrators getting their hands slapped.


Were the Hammond's ever convicted of poaching???
Pay for a few roses and get a free pass? Okay.

From what I read the oaching stuff wasn;t even allowed during the trial.

 

[gimpyrancher]

Wonder why they waited so long to nab Bundy? He's owed em money for years.

Instead of elevating things back at his ranch, they decided to wait for the perfect time to get him without gunfire. In that, they succeeded. Now we let the system deal with him. It probably would have gone easier on him if he hadn't waited until all this attention was placed on he and his family.