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I do know that the seasons in my area are not the same as in the past. Also if the weather is changing then we need to be studying how humans will survive in the changed world.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/closed-door-meeting-shows-farmers-100429114.html
 
hurleyjd said:
I do know that the seasons in my area are not the same as in the past. Also if the weather is changing then we need to be studying how humans will survive in the changed world.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/closed-door-meeting-shows-farmers-100429114.html

Good luck to you. They have you right where they want you. From what I have seen of human majority in the last decade or two, I am not sure I would like them to survive.
 
Planet earth is 4 an a half billion years old. It is hard to believe that in such a short time humans have had such a major impact on climate change. During those 4.5 billion years I am sure there has been lots of climate changes just no humans/media around to report it. At the current rate there will probably be humans around another billion years, so I am not going to worry about it much.

Snapshot of What Earth Will Look Like in 1 Billion Years

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-a-mind-melting-snapshot-of-what-earth-will-look-like-in-1-billion-years
 
hurleyjd said:
I do know that the seasons in my area are not the same as in the past. Also if the weather is changing then we need to be studying how humans will survive in the changed world.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/closed-door-meeting-shows-farmers-100429114.html

Big difference in weather changing and climate change. The huge petrified trees in the petrified forest of Arizona are examples of climate change in the past, not one winter of temps being a little colder/hotter, wetter or more dry. I live on a limestone bed that is apparently hundreds of feet thick and every layer full of fossils. Sounds like a few years ago I was under a deep blue sea. Where did it go??
 
TexasBred said:
hurleyjd said:
I do know that the seasons in my area are not the same as in the past. Also if the weather is changing then we need to be studying how humans will survive in the changed world.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/closed-door-meeting-shows-farmers-100429114.html

Big difference in weather changing and climate change. The huge petrified trees in the petrified forest of Arizona are examples of climate change in the past, not one winter of temps being a little colder/hotter, wetter or more dry. I live on a limestone bed that is apparently hundreds of feet thick and every layer full of fossils. Sounds like a few years ago I was under a deep blue sea. Where did it go??
Did break the record for high temperature here yesterday it was 80 degrees. Today it is at 38 at the moment.
 
TexasBred said:
hurleyjd said:
I do know that the seasons in my area are not the same as in the past. Also if the weather is changing then we need to be studying how humans will survive in the changed world.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/closed-door-meeting-shows-farmers-100429114.html

Big difference in weather changing and climate change. The huge petrified trees in the petrified forest of Arizona are examples of climate change in the past, not one winter of temps being a little colder/hotter, wetter or more dry. I live on a limestone bed that is apparently hundreds of feet thick and every layer full of fossils. Sounds like a few years ago I was under a deep blue sea. Where did it go??

Remember in the 60's scientists were predicting we were going into an ice age.

https://www.climatedepot.com/2016/09/13/83-consensus-285-papers-from-1960s-80s-reveal-robust-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/
 
Caustic Burno said:
TexasBred said:
hurleyjd said:
I do know that the seasons in my area are not the same as in the past. Also if the weather is changing then we need to be studying how humans will survive in the changed world.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/closed-door-meeting-shows-farmers-100429114.html

Big difference in weather changing and climate change. The huge petrified trees in the petrified forest of Arizona are examples of climate change in the past, not one winter of temps being a little colder/hotter, wetter or more dry. I live on a limestone bed that is apparently hundreds of feet thick and every layer full of fossils. Sounds like a few years ago I was under a deep blue sea. Where did it go??

Remember in the 60's scientists were predicting we were going into an ice age.

https://www.climatedepot.com/2016/09/13/83-consensus-285-papers-from-1960s-80s-reveal-robust-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/

Considering the definition of an ice ages is "the presence or expansion of continental and polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers," they weren't wrong.
 
We know the climate has always been changing. I guess the question is how much are we impacting it?
Personally I'm not too concerned about change, people and the rest of the earth have always adapted and will continue to do so. But I do think that especially considering how crowded our little ball of mud is getting that we need to clean up after ourselves and do things in a sustainable fashion.
 
Would you be willing to bet your paycheck that the weather man is exactly right next week? If not why would bet the entire economy that they will be right 10-12 years from now?
 
Dave said:
Would you be willing to bet your paycheck that the weather man is exactly right next week? If not why would bet the entire economy that they will be right 10-12 years from now?
The weather persons do have more tools in their toolbox than they did in the past. Pretty good if not asked to go to far out. They also can do more by observing EL NINO than they did in the past. Weather predicting is not an exact science but getting pretty close.
 
hurleyjd said:
Dave said:
Would you be willing to bet your paycheck that the weather man is exactly right next week? If not why would bet the entire economy that they will be right 10-12 years from now?
The weather persons do have more tools in their toolbox than they did in the past. Pretty good if not asked to go to far out. They also can do more by observing EL NINO than they did in the past. Weather predicting is not an exact science but getting pretty close.
I think the forecasts are getting pretty good as far as when things are going to happen for a district however to be able to forecast exactly what happens at your place just won't happen as there are too many variables of topography that influence what we get for example last night I recorded 61mm in a storm at my house and 31 mm at my back gate about 3.5 km away.

Ken
 
TexasBred said:
I live on a limestone bed that is apparently hundreds of feet thick and every layer full of fossils. Sounds like a few years ago I was under a deep blue sea.
Hard to get your mind around that isn't it...that there could be so much water 'over us' that our area was once at the bottom of the sea?

It was, as was most of the central pat of North America. The Western Interior Seaway. Connected what is now Gulf of Mexico with the Arctic Ocean. Where did the water go? It went into the low lying areas of the world. There is a finite amount of solid mass on/in the planet, and as one part uplifts, another has to subside. Today, for us surface dwellers, it's convenient to describe elevation in terms of "above sea level" but for geological epochs, ages and periods, it really is more correct to view any point on the planet as viewed from the center of the Earth.
Yes, your area (and mine) was once underwater, but as the NA uplift took place, mountains were pushed up from what was then the bottom of the sea, and so was our areas. As our 'distance from the Earth's center" increased due to plate movement, other regions' distance from the same point decreased, and that's "where the water went". This happened I believe about 200 million years ago...
A more ancient uplift took place in relation to the Permian Basin and pushed up the Guadalupe Mtn range, which includes the highest point in Texas, but because that range was once under water, you can find fossilized sea shells right below the surface of Guadalupe Peak. It's estimated the basin (Delaware basin) was covered in 2 miles of water.
These forces are still going on today, and it's entirely possible, that some time in the very very very distant future, parts of the current seabed will uplift somewhere, and present day Texas will again subside & drop below the waves.
 
TexasBred said:
hurleyjd said:
I do know that the seasons in my area are not the same as in the past. Also if the weather is changing then we need to be studying how humans will survive in the changed world.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/closed-door-meeting-shows-farmers-100429114.html

Big difference in weather changing and climate change. The huge petrified trees in the petrified forest of Arizona are examples of climate change in the past, not one winter of temps being a little colder/hotter, wetter or more dry. I live on a limestone bed that is apparently hundreds of feet thick and every layer full of fossils. Sounds like a few years ago I was under a deep blue sea. Where did it go??

My house was under a mile tall glacier a few thousand years ago. Must of melted from all of the methane producing mammoths.
 
sim.-ang.king said:
TexasBred said:
hurleyjd said:
I do know that the seasons in my area are not the same as in the past. Also if the weather is changing then we need to be studying how humans will survive in the changed world.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/closed-door-meeting-shows-farmers-100429114.html

Big difference in weather changing and climate change. The huge petrified trees in the petrified forest of Arizona are examples of climate change in the past, not one winter of temps being a little colder/hotter, wetter or more dry. I live on a limestone bed that is apparently hundreds of feet thick and every layer full of fossils. Sounds like a few years ago I was under a deep blue sea. Where did it go??

My house was under a mile tall glacier a few thousand years ago. Must of melted from all of the methane producing mammoths.
https://geology.utah.gov/map-pub/survey-notes/glad-you-asked/ice-ages-what-are-they-and-what-causes-them/
 
I think I will hijack my on post. We may or may not have a climate problem, but looks like we may have a trash problem. Plastic in particular.
 
hurleyjd said:
I think I will hijack my on post. We may or may not have a climate problem, but looks like we may have a trash problem. Plastic in particular.

You can convert it back to liquid fuel using pyrolysis versus throwing it away.
 
We have another problem that will come to a quick ending after the 1st of the year, probably worth higjacking the thread. It is just about over....
 
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