Chicken vs Beef

[shaz]

Can't imagine ANY farmer owns enough chickens to keep up with production.

IF not from farms where do you think chickens come from?

Can you imagine ANY farmer selling enough steers direct to a packer to earn a volume bonus?

Any farmer owns enough...

These chickens are mostly owned by Tyson and such.

 

[Stocker Steve]

One of the things you sometimes find is a company or a producer who is making good money in a break even, or unprofitable, industry. They usually have a better brand name or better marketing or both. The not -so-good marketing group often reacts with more cost cutting or more complaining or lower salaries or more volume...

Which group are we in?

 

[Son of Butch]

Can't imagine ANY farmer owns enough chickens to keep up with production.

These chickens are mostly owned by Tyson and such.

And that is one of Shenandoah's selling points... Farmer owned... rather than the industry standard indentured servitude model used by Tyson ect.

 

[shaz]

One of the things you sometimes find is a company or a producer who is making good money in a break even, or unprofitable, industry. They usually have a better brand name or better marketing or both. The not -so-good marketing group often reacts with more cost cutting or more complaining or lower salaries or more volume...

Which group are we in?

Bad marketing. I couldn't be a salesman or politician if my life depended on it.

 

[backhoeboogie]

people will buy whatever is cheapest 90% of the time..wanna get rich..market to poor people

If you wanna get rich, sell the feathers and eat the beef. No kidding a "jungle cock" cape just sold on ebay for $435, Yes Just the cape of feathers from around the cocks neck. It seems there is big business in this from fly tying.

So I am checking my Amerucuanas closely. Really close. If any of them still have the "eye" pattern in their feathers I will no longer throw the feathers in the trash can. I will cape every dang one of them from now on.

The people paying big bucks don't care if the feathers are from GMO free, cage free, free range, open range etc. All natural feathers are going on the end of a fishing fly.

Yes I have bee gullible enough to throw feathers away when I plucked a chicken.

 

[TexasBred]

Can't imagine ANY farmer owns enough chickens to keep up with production.

These chickens are mostly owned by Tyson and such.

And that is one of Shenandoah's selling points... Farmer owned... rather than the industry standard indentured servitude model used by Tyson ect.

Must be a little profit in it. Folks are throwing up 8 or 10 of those new chicken houses as fast as they can get them built. Same for turkey farmers.

 

[jehosofat]

One of the things you sometimes find is a company or a producer who is making good money in a break even, or unprofitable, industry. They usually have a better brand name or better marketing or both. The not -so-good marketing group often reacts with more cost cutting or more complaining or lower salaries or more volume...

Which group are we in?

Bad marketing. I couldn't be a salesman or politician if my life depended on it.

Nothing in the world moves without a salesman getting the ball rolling.

 

[1982vett]

Must be a little profit in it. Folks are throwing up 8 or 10 of those new chicken houses as fast as they can get them built. Same for turkey farmers.

Yeah....the litter sells for $35 a ton.......

 

[backhoeboogie]

Must be a little profit in it. Folks are throwing up 8 or 10 of those new chicken houses as fast as they can get them built. Same for turkey farmers.

Yeah....the litter sells for $35 a ton.......

That's kind of chicken chit aint it ?

 

[backhoeboogie]

I'm probably going to buy gray jungle fowl eggs, incubate them, and line breed some, if they'll breed, to my Amerucuanas

If this doesn't work its not a big loss.

 

[hurleyjd]

I'm probably going to buy gray jungle fowl eggs, incubate them, and line breed some, if they'll breed, to my Amerucuanas

If this doesn't work its not a big loss.

Annual egg production for the grey jungle fowl is low about 24 a year.

 

[TexasBred]

One of the things you sometimes find is a company or a producer who is making good money in a break even, or unprofitable, industry. They usually have a better brand name or better marketing or both. The not -so-good marketing group often reacts with more cost cutting or more complaining or lower salaries or more volume...

Which group are we in?

Bad marketing. I couldn't be a salesman or politician if my life depended on it.

Nothing in the world moves without a salesman getting the ball rolling.

Four thousand years ago Samson slew a thousand Philistines with the jawbone of an a$$....everyday thousands of sales are killed with the same weapon.

 

[shaz]

One of the things you sometimes find is a company or a producer who is making good money in a break even, or unprofitable, industry. They usually have a better brand name or better marketing or both. The not -so-good marketing group often reacts with more cost cutting or more complaining or lower salaries or more volume...

Which group are we in?

Bad marketing. I couldn't be a salesman or politician if my life depended on it.

Nothing in the world moves without a salesman getting the ball rolling.

Really? Can't think of a single instance where the product didn't sell it'self and the salesman was just a dummy load for the air conditioner.

 

[hurleyjd]

GA.prime..do you not remember when whole chickens in the grocery store were that big..30-40 years ago?
Then, they became little scrawny things for 10-15 years and now have become 5 pounders again.
(not sure what happened during the 'scrawny' era, but there sure wasn't much to a 'fryer' at that time..)

About the time that BO Pilgrim was not selling the fat yellar chicken.

 

[j_20]

I would be interested in how the feed side of this actually operates. How are they going to keep everyone profitable across the board? I'm all for value added but in the chicken industry its just my personal opinion but rarely does the producer actually add to their profit off of the parent company's profit. Tournament system feed model being a prime example. Anyone whos been around that knows what kinda disaster that is.

 

[TexasBred]

I would be interested in how the feed side of this actually operates. How are they going to keep everyone profitable across the board? I'm all for value added but in the chicken industry its just my personal opinion but rarely does the producer actually add to their profit off of the parent company's profit. Tournament system feed model being a prime example. Anyone whos been around that knows what kinda disaster that is.

I know little to nothing about it other than days on the various stages of feed comes into the equation which would include feed conversion rates, along with survival rate. Been told producers earn bonus' based on these and other factors which all lead to more profitability for the company.

 

[j_20]

Yes that is true but its all at the mercy of the parent company. The chicks come from the company the feed comes from the company the producer has little control. So you could do everything right but just have a sick batch of birds and your neighbor could do the exact same with healthy birds they received and you would take a hit while they got a bonus.

 

[TexasBred]

Yes that is true but its all at the mercy of the parent company. The chicks come from the company the feed comes from the company the producer has little control. So you could do everything right but just have a sick batch of birds and your neighbor could do the exact same with healthy birds they received and you would take a hit while they got a bonus.

True but not likely.

 

[hurleyjd]

The discovered a strain of Avain flu in one of the chicken houses in Hopkins Count Texas

 

[backhoeboogie]

I'm probably going to buy gray jungle fowl eggs, incubate them, and line breed some, if they'll breed, to my Amerucuanas

If this doesn't work its not a big loss.

Annual egg production for the grey jungle fowl is low about 24 a year.

AI the from the rooster