codymccue
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If you want ride and comfort-buy a Chev
If you want a truck that will stand up to truck work- buy a Ford.
If you want a truck that will stand up to truck work- buy a Ford.
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TexasBred
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DitchBank":11wzz0ru said:
Again..the question was Chevy -vs- Ford....not FMC -vs- GM....
As for Toyota...the profits may go to Japan (THEY DO MAKE A PROFIT) but the jobs and wages stay here. When Chevy AND Ford start making cars again that will at least out last the bank note they'll move back to # 1. (maybe)
grannysoo
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I drove Fords for 20+ years before buying a Chevrolet from a good friend that went to work at the Chevy dealership. Haven't bought another Ford since, and don't plan on it anytime soon.
I have also had experiences with all three trucks. Let me put it to you this way. My friend has a 2006 F150, THE TRUCKS A PIECE OF ****. Someone else I know has an 06' Ram 1500, its worse than the Ford. I own 4 trucks (all of which are silverado's + an S10) one of which is a 1995 Silverado 1500, I would choose it well before i would choose either of those trucks.IGotMyWings":28fxj3vs said:
You want talk about quality well:
The 2007 Silverado received these and more:
-Best expected resale value of any pickup
-Best EPA estimated fuel economy
-Lowest cost of ownership of any full-sized pickup
-Car&Drivers best 5 truck award
-KBB best redesigned vehicle
-Truckin magazines truck of the year.
-Highest ranked large pickup in initial quality
-North American pickup of the year
-Popular mechanics-Workhorse
DiamondSCattleCo
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These are OFFICIAL truck sales numbers from the manufacturers. This includes all trucks (1500, 2500, 3500, 4500, and 5500).
Jul 08 Jul 07 +/- CY 2008 CY 2007 +/-
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F-Series 44,829 56,488 -20.6 319,542 411,926 -22.4
Silverado 32,989 46,997 -29.8 264,309 357,893 -26.1
Ram 21,328 29,312 -27.0 150,272 214,569 -30.0
Sierra 11,596 15,892 -27.0 94,770 115,185 -17.7
Tundra 13,413 23,150 -42.1 89,929 105,990 -15.2
Titan 3,972 5,708 -30.4 21,157 38,781 -45.4
Mark LT 488 758 -35.6 2,714 5,090 -46.7
Ditchbank, your claim of GM outselling Ford half tons by 59,765 units is overinflated by a long shot, and the ONLY way you could have access to the half ton only sales figures is if you worked at one of the automotive companies, specifically in the marketing areas. RL Polk is the only company in the US that compiles official sales figures (direct from the manufacturer) broken down by specific vehicle type, and they sell these figures for big bucks to the automotive industry. Everyone else (including KBB) who PUBLICLY lists sales figures broken down by 1500, 2500, etc is using estimates gathered from insurance and vehicle registrations.
As well, your claim that Ford isn't the number 1 selling truck in North America isn't accurate either as you haven't even mentioned Canadian or Mexican sales (also considered North American), which aren't released by Edmunds and are not publicly available anywhere. Mexican sales are significant in that GM doesn't have a competing fleet vehicle in the Mexican market, unlike Dodge and Ford. Canadian side sales are significant simply because we buy a pile of trucks up here. You also fail to recall that until 5 or 6 years ago (can't recall exactly and I'm not going to dig in my archives), Ford did outsell GM in overall truck sales in the US market. It was only with the advent of the Duramax and the failure of the 6.0L that Ford finally slid behind GM combined sales.
Besides, everyone knows that Dodge trucks are the best, so this thread is just plain silly anyway. :lol2: :lol2:
Jul 08 Jul 07 +/- CY 2008 CY 2007 +/-
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F-Series 44,829 56,488 -20.6 319,542 411,926 -22.4
Silverado 32,989 46,997 -29.8 264,309 357,893 -26.1
Ram 21,328 29,312 -27.0 150,272 214,569 -30.0
Sierra 11,596 15,892 -27.0 94,770 115,185 -17.7
Tundra 13,413 23,150 -42.1 89,929 105,990 -15.2
Titan 3,972 5,708 -30.4 21,157 38,781 -45.4
Mark LT 488 758 -35.6 2,714 5,090 -46.7
Ditchbank, your claim of GM outselling Ford half tons by 59,765 units is overinflated by a long shot, and the ONLY way you could have access to the half ton only sales figures is if you worked at one of the automotive companies, specifically in the marketing areas. RL Polk is the only company in the US that compiles official sales figures (direct from the manufacturer) broken down by specific vehicle type, and they sell these figures for big bucks to the automotive industry. Everyone else (including KBB) who PUBLICLY lists sales figures broken down by 1500, 2500, etc is using estimates gathered from insurance and vehicle registrations.
As well, your claim that Ford isn't the number 1 selling truck in North America isn't accurate either as you haven't even mentioned Canadian or Mexican sales (also considered North American), which aren't released by Edmunds and are not publicly available anywhere. Mexican sales are significant in that GM doesn't have a competing fleet vehicle in the Mexican market, unlike Dodge and Ford. Canadian side sales are significant simply because we buy a pile of trucks up here. You also fail to recall that until 5 or 6 years ago (can't recall exactly and I'm not going to dig in my archives), Ford did outsell GM in overall truck sales in the US market. It was only with the advent of the Duramax and the failure of the 6.0L that Ford finally slid behind GM combined sales.
Besides, everyone knows that Dodge trucks are the best, so this thread is just plain silly anyway. :lol2: :lol2:
Interesting to note that Ford has outsold both GM brands combined the last couple off months. Considering Fords F 150 is an old model now an GM has a new truck line. Not to bad. I sure cant get used to the looks of the new GM trucks. Fords look so much better overall. Just my 2 centsd
DiamondSCattleCo
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Agboy":1n3exl09 said:
Only in the US though. In North American sales, Ford was the #1 best selling truck. Back then though the numbers were pretty fuzzy as to what was considered a "truck". At the time, Ford had Louisville and I suspect a healthy percentage of those "#1 sales" came from the Louisville plant.
Anyway, my point from all of this is that its pretty much impossible to prove or disprove Ford's #1 selling truck claim. It all depends on your view of what a truck is, and where you get your information from. I can guarantee no-one on an internet forum is going to post RL Polks' numbers as there is a thick legal document (as well as a substantial cheque) that must be signed stating that the numbers will never be publicly released.
As a side note, you guys who preach "Buy American" should do a little more research into where the money really does end up going at the end of a sale. You might be surprised. A starting point, and a little hint: There are more American made parts in a Toy truck than there are in any of the Big Three's trucks. Toy also garners less profit from the sale of each than do the Big Three.
Rod
IGotMyWings
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DitchBank":dh82ccrv said:
Well, I can't argue with that, I don't reckon...all I know is that I am not happy with mine, it ticks like a sewing machine, smokes like like a coal engine when you start it, and the rubber seal has fallen off the back door already. I can't complain about the power, the Vortec V8 seems strong enough, the automatic 4WD is handy, and it rides more like a car than a 3/4 truck...I guess when I spend the kind of money it takes to have a fairly new/dependable truck, I expect it to last a while before pieces start falling off and the engine to start puffing a little valve guide smoke. I figure with my luck, I got the ONE bad one that they made.
IGotMyWings":f8e17rnw said:
Apparantly you and I got only 4 bad chevys ever made. I've had 3 in the past 40 years, got rid of 2 of them as fast as I could. The 3rd one is on the driveway now, wifes. It's had problems from the beginning and now she's just adjusted to living with them.
2007 Sales chart on light duty pickups&more
NOTICE: If you look at the chart for the 2007 if you add up the Sierra and Silverado sales and subtract that number by the F-Series number you'll come up with the figure I listed before. GM dose outsale Ford.
NOTICE: If you look at the chart for the 2007 if you add up the Sierra and Silverado sales and subtract that number by the F-Series number you'll come up with the figure I listed before. GM dose outsale Ford.
DiamondSCattleCo
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A couple things:
1) It doesn't say anything about the numbers only being 1500s, but rather F-series (which generally includes 450 and 550 as well).
2) I doubt the validity of those numbers. I strongly suspect they are either gathered from vehicle registrations, vehicles sold to dealers or falsified entirely. In 2007, Ford only sold 411,000 total units (this straight from FORD themselves from warranty registrations. In other words, actual sales to customers). There is no way they sold 300 and some odd thousand in the first 5 months and then only sold 100,000 for the rest of the year. When I have a few minutes, I'll dig through and get the REAL sales numbers from May 2007.
Rod
1) It doesn't say anything about the numbers only being 1500s, but rather F-series (which generally includes 450 and 550 as well).
2) I doubt the validity of those numbers. I strongly suspect they are either gathered from vehicle registrations, vehicles sold to dealers or falsified entirely. In 2007, Ford only sold 411,000 total units (this straight from FORD themselves from warranty registrations. In other words, actual sales to customers). There is no way they sold 300 and some odd thousand in the first 5 months and then only sold 100,000 for the rest of the year. When I have a few minutes, I'll dig through and get the REAL sales numbers from May 2007.
Rod
DiamondSCattleCo
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Well, I'm perfectly willing to eat a little crow, as the raw numbers were indeed correct:
May 07 May 06 +/- CY 2007 CY 2006 +/-
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F-Series 61,939 70,175 -11.7 290,282 334,725 -13.3
Silverado 63,790 55,316 10.9 265,941 258,378 2.9
Ram 31,327 29,599 6.0 154,143 150,799 2.0
Sierra 19,467 17,756 5.4 84,106 80,957 3.9
Tundra 17,727 7,974 113.8 61,113 48,636 24.7
Titan 4,899 5,713 -17.5 28,668 33,415 -14.9
Mark LT 670 957 -30.0 3,576 5,576 -35.9
I forgot 2007 was a screwball year with heavy sales early in the year. HOWEVER, those numbers are still US side only (not North American), and they are light/medium trucks (up to and including 5500s), not 1500 series. It was also the first month in anyone's recollection at Edmunds where Chevy outsold Ford by themselves in a single month. The following month, and every month since, things were back to normal with Ford heavily outpacing Chevy. Actually, outpacing both GM products combined:
Jun 07 Jun 06 +/- CY 2007 CY 2006 +/-
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F-Series 65,156 65,452 -0.5 355,438 400,177 -11.2
Silverado 44,955 58,791 -26.4 310,896 317,169 -2.0
Ram 31,114 32,375 -4.0 185,257 183,174 1.0
Sierra 15,187 20,661 -29.2 99,293 101,618 -2.3
Tundra 21,727 8,822 137.2 82,840 57,458 42.3
Titan 4,405 5,422 -21.8 33,073 38,837 -15.9
Mark LT 756 974 -22.4 4,332 6,550 -33.9
So DitchBank, as you can see, you can't take a single months sales posted on YouTube and extrapolate it to sales over the past several decades. Fact is, for the past few decades, trucks wearing the F tag have indeed been North America's number #1 selling truck. You can argue that the Silverado/Sierra combination has surpassed them in certain years if you want, but 1) there aren't any readily available numbers to prove (or disprove) it and 2) as far as the trade is concerned, Siverado and Sierra trucks are different brands all together.
As a side note, I doubt the next couple of decades will see any difference in that either. Despite the old internet rumor mill, Ford simply isn't losing a whole big bunch of ground to the others. They're hurting in the 2500 and up class due to uncertainty with the current Navistar mill, but that'll change in 3 years. Toy's grabbing ground from all 3 of the big three, but most analysts agree that Chevy has the most to be concerned about from them since the demographic for Chevy 1500s and the Tundra is the same. Chevy will be in even bigger trouble when the Tundra Ton is introduced with that great Hino diesel. Next year will be a growth year (or at least, a slower slowing down, depending on gas prices) for Dodge due to the release of the new 1500s. The following year Dodge will release the Heavy Duties with the new wrapper, helping to slow their downward spiral more. Then Ford will be back with their own diesel wrapped in a re-designed body. Things just don't look real pretty for the Chebbies...
Rod
May 07 May 06 +/- CY 2007 CY 2006 +/-
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F-Series 61,939 70,175 -11.7 290,282 334,725 -13.3
Silverado 63,790 55,316 10.9 265,941 258,378 2.9
Ram 31,327 29,599 6.0 154,143 150,799 2.0
Sierra 19,467 17,756 5.4 84,106 80,957 3.9
Tundra 17,727 7,974 113.8 61,113 48,636 24.7
Titan 4,899 5,713 -17.5 28,668 33,415 -14.9
Mark LT 670 957 -30.0 3,576 5,576 -35.9
I forgot 2007 was a screwball year with heavy sales early in the year. HOWEVER, those numbers are still US side only (not North American), and they are light/medium trucks (up to and including 5500s), not 1500 series. It was also the first month in anyone's recollection at Edmunds where Chevy outsold Ford by themselves in a single month. The following month, and every month since, things were back to normal with Ford heavily outpacing Chevy. Actually, outpacing both GM products combined:
Jun 07 Jun 06 +/- CY 2007 CY 2006 +/-
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F-Series 65,156 65,452 -0.5 355,438 400,177 -11.2
Silverado 44,955 58,791 -26.4 310,896 317,169 -2.0
Ram 31,114 32,375 -4.0 185,257 183,174 1.0
Sierra 15,187 20,661 -29.2 99,293 101,618 -2.3
Tundra 21,727 8,822 137.2 82,840 57,458 42.3
Titan 4,405 5,422 -21.8 33,073 38,837 -15.9
Mark LT 756 974 -22.4 4,332 6,550 -33.9
So DitchBank, as you can see, you can't take a single months sales posted on YouTube and extrapolate it to sales over the past several decades. Fact is, for the past few decades, trucks wearing the F tag have indeed been North America's number #1 selling truck. You can argue that the Silverado/Sierra combination has surpassed them in certain years if you want, but 1) there aren't any readily available numbers to prove (or disprove) it and 2) as far as the trade is concerned, Siverado and Sierra trucks are different brands all together.
As a side note, I doubt the next couple of decades will see any difference in that either. Despite the old internet rumor mill, Ford simply isn't losing a whole big bunch of ground to the others. They're hurting in the 2500 and up class due to uncertainty with the current Navistar mill, but that'll change in 3 years. Toy's grabbing ground from all 3 of the big three, but most analysts agree that Chevy has the most to be concerned about from them since the demographic for Chevy 1500s and the Tundra is the same. Chevy will be in even bigger trouble when the Tundra Ton is introduced with that great Hino diesel. Next year will be a growth year (or at least, a slower slowing down, depending on gas prices) for Dodge due to the release of the new 1500s. The following year Dodge will release the Heavy Duties with the new wrapper, helping to slow their downward spiral more. Then Ford will be back with their own diesel wrapped in a re-designed body. Things just don't look real pretty for the Chebbies...
Rod
TexasBred
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Is this for "bragging rights"?? :lol: I've had a Ford, Chevy and Toyota over the past 10 years. Maybe I was lucky but they Ford and Chevy were both great trucks and the new Toyota is awesome.
Calman
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I believe that all 3 chevy,ford and dodge will give you good service. It's a a matter of service and prevenitive maintenance.I am one who is very strict on service and repair of a vehicle.
However I have in the past got over 200,000 miles on 4 different GM trucks without any major problems.Since this is working for me why should I buy anything else?I don't baby my truck's,but I don't mistreat them either.I work them hard but don't ask them to do what they are not designed to do.
I now have a 2000 Z71 heading toward 300,000 and it still runs great and everything works like it did when I bought it.No adding oil between changes. No mater how minor a problem is I repair it to new condition.
I'm a tightwad and do not want a new pickup every year.
However I have in the past got over 200,000 miles on 4 different GM trucks without any major problems.Since this is working for me why should I buy anything else?I don't baby my truck's,but I don't mistreat them either.I work them hard but don't ask them to do what they are not designed to do.
I now have a 2000 Z71 heading toward 300,000 and it still runs great and everything works like it did when I bought it.No adding oil between changes. No mater how minor a problem is I repair it to new condition.
I'm a tightwad and do not want a new pickup every year.
