Stocker Steve
Well-known member
You see a lot of Chars that look very white, and some that are a creamy or light gold color. Is this from cross breeding with reds or just normal variation? Is there a tint preference for showing?
Stocker Steve":38igr0gx said:Some demand here for BA crossed black nose chars.
Can you tell cream/straw registered chars from red cross chars?
cotton1":3cr654gt said:The different colors in the registered Charolais come from breed up, yes. I think the red comes from Hereford or Shorthorn, from the first days of Charolais in the United States. From what I understand it was not legal to import a full blood Charolais and breeders would get half blood bulls and cows from Mexico. Later on came whats now the AICA and the rules mentioned by CBR about registration.
When I register my Charolais I have to indicate the calf color as white, light cream or straw, as well as the color of the calf's nose. If the calf is too red it will have a RF prefix to the registration number to indicate "red factor".
The black Charolais in Georgia and Canada are the results of compound breeding the darkest reds together over time. Last I saw on it the black Charolais bulls all came from just a handful of mating's and ET was used heavily in the process. I wish I could remember where I read about it but cant right now. I think it was on the Three Trees Ranch web site, but don't hold me to it.
The whole idea of making a non black hided breed into a black hided breed is weird to me. It seems like most of them are just Angus composites, and the original breed dies out when the black hide fever hits. I liked the Fleck Simms, and as much as I like a true baldy, what would American beef be today without the white face Hereford? I don't have full french Charolais, so I cant say mine are the purest, but the American Charolais of today is a great animal and owe a lot to breed up.
For me black or red Charolais is not what I want, but they do show why there is a genetic difference between the American Charolais of today and the Full French.
Visited a friends farm on election day. He raises Charolais and has a nice herd of 120 or so black commercials as well. Uses his Charolais bulls on his commercial cows a lot. He had maybe 3-4 baldy cows out there on the one farm, but I kept seeing white face calves everywhere. He told me the Registered Charolais bull that sired those calves throws white face calves everytime, yet the bull himself is actually white with a pink nose.
Cotton1