Canadian cattle prices

[Cattle Rack Rancher]

Gone Country;

Any of the Texans I've ever talked to on this board have been great and for the most part have been solid, no nonsense kind of people. Some of the other posters on this board seem to have a protectionist and isolationist attitude. This kind of goes against my vision of the USA as the home of entrepreneurship and the small businessman. I've always felt that if I worked real hard and dealt honestly and fairly with people, I'd get ahead. I guess I'm just dreaming, because this BSE thing has really put the kaibosh on everything I've ever worked to achieve.
All The best to you.

 

[frenchie]

At a time when US cattle were restricted by the Canadian government from going north because they were considered diseased- Cattle that ran side by side with Canadian cattle with only a 4 wire fence between them-(if it hadn't washed out).

Oldtimer why don,t you tell the whole story .You know and I know there are several states that won,t accept your cattle without a clear test.

Vermont,New York and Alaska come to mind.

I noticed you make no mention of the Northwest feeder Agreement either. Which allowed Montana calves into Alberta feedlots without a test.

You talk about hard times...Did it ever occur to you that we went through the same hard times as you in regards to cattle prices.

By the way Whens the last time you sold calves for about .25 cents U.S .

Or cows 12.00 U.S

Lets talk about this Washington cow, We have a cow born in Canada, that showed signs of B.S.E after several yrs in the U.S. C.F.I.A suspects an Alberta feed mill.Key word suspects.......... Very damaging...............but not as damaging when the U.S.D.A put her meat on the shelves to your export market.


As far as the U.S industry going bust, you can probably manage that on your own.Because as you know there will never be a black day in the cattle market.Your prices will eventually fall with or without the importation of Cdn cattle.

have a good day

 

[Bez]

Blackpower

Quote - BSE testing is irrevelent if cattle are under 30 months of age. So this 100% testing is bunk, if it makes you feel better then woo hoo. Probably gonna cost you 15 cents a head to do it let's see 25 cents minus 15 cents = NO MORE CANADIAN BEEF INDUSTRY. End quote

In fact I agree with everything you say. However international markets disagree with both of us. If the consumer demands it, he WILL get it - otherwise he will go somewhere else.

No, it does not make me feel better - as for the slight provided - "woo hoo" - well, I am prepared to withstand that. What is important, is that I said "what goes around, comes around".

The time will come when you have this - your cattle numbers are against you. Greater odds. Either that or your folks will be smart and shoot, shovel and shut up.

There is still strong feelings about the U.S. immigrant who brought this all down upon us - was it premeditated? No one will ever know.

Our tracking system - as much as I hate it for many reasons - worked - and we stood up and found the cows. Your folks put food on the shelf and could not trace it.

Cattle Annie:

I want to franchise that request to sell tickets to the man that caused all of this. An article some time back - in the Western Producer showed the new system he built with federal funding - nice if I say so myself. He kills the industry and is rewarded. Grrrrrr ....

Old Timer: While I respect your opinion, as frenchie stated - you did not tell the complete story. It is almost like watching a biased reporter tell the story with a personal spin - and it often works - providing half of the story soon makes people believe it is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

While I am more than a little peeved by my present lot in life, I am up front. I also am more than prepared to admit the Canucks screwed up - we believed the tales about free trade benefits. I have stated publicly that I am one of many who share the blame for this mess - you see, I actually - and foolishly - believed an integrated market was best for all of us.

And, I actually believed we could manage any disaster because we were fully integrated and working as a team - it is for this reason I once supported allowing your cattle to graze in our country. It made me very - very unpopular with my fellow cattlemen. As I previously stated, I now am no longer in that camp. And, apparently there are several of your own States who side with me on this issue - so perhaps you should go after them first?

For all:

I sent an email off to CCA and received the following info - use it as you see fit - we are still bringing in quite a bit of foreign beef.

Starting with the answer I received.

Quote -

I've replied to your questions below. If you have any further questions, I'd be happy to help.

Kelsey Chomistek - end quote

Message and answers were as follows:

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1. I need to know how much beef Canada is obligated to import due to international trade agreements.

Canada's tariff rate quota is for 72,409 MT of beef. This is the amount of beef that can be imported from non-NAFTA countries without a tariff. I would like to note that Canada is not "obligated" to import this quantity of beef, we just cannot place tariffs on beef that is imported under this amount.
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> 2. I need to know when / what month this trade agreement limit is reached on an average annual basis.

I'm not actually certain when, historically, this has been. I would contact Agriculture and Agri-food Canada for this information.
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> 3. I need to know how many supplementary import permits are issued on an average annual basis.

From 1999-2002, on average 51,328 MT of supplementary quota was approved. In 2003, this was 55,567 tonnes. So far, in 2004, there has been no supplementary quota issued. This addresses your next question, also.
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> 4. I need to know what tonnage of additional beef is imported into Canada after filling the initial manadatory trade agreements.

The data for this information is available on the Agriculture Canada website in its annual report. http://www.agr.gc.ca/misb/aisd/redmeat/03table2.xls
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> Thanks in advance.
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So, in 2003 - the first year we were hit with BSE Canada imported 72,409 MT of beef. I still use the word obligated - but she likes to say we were not.

In the remainder of that first year the federal government allowed an additional 55,567 tonnes - at least this year it looks like no supplementary permits for the importation of beef have been allowed.

Finally, in closing, I stand by my statement - Never believe free traders. They lie.

Best regrads,

Bez

 

[Texan]

To our American friends, I wonder how many of those Texas ranchers who are lobbing to keep out CDN beef out.....

Maybe I don't get out enough. I don't hang out at the coffee shop, feed store or salebarn where the real cowmen spend their days, but I just don't hear a lot of your problems coming from Texas ranchers. Where do you get this information?

 

[Bez]

You know something Texan - just off of the top of my head I cannot think of any.

Thanks for the grin - I was a real cow guy today - I got to an actual restaurant today for the first time ... well, in a long time. I even bought the lunch - and you know something?

I did go to the feed store today - and I did hang out for about three hours - just to tell Jacques that I hoped he was going to rebuild - I personally could not survive without his help. He had a major fire last week.

That guy carried me for almost 4 months last winter - pretty good when you consider that I owed him almost $6000. He never charged me a penny of interest. Just told me to pay up when I could. That alone put him at the top of the list when some money came in.

I promised him I'd stop by this week and give him some free labour to help clean up the mess - figured the big s.o.b. was gonna' cry.

There must haver been 50 of us there to volunteer our time and help.

Was in Fort Hood last year - hot and dry down there - wonder how in the heck cows can grow in that weather.

Best regards,

Bez

 

[Campground Cattle]

To our American friends, I wonder how many of those Texas ranchers who are lobbing to keep out CDN beef out.....

Maybe I don't get out enough. I don't hang out at the coffee shop, feed store or salebarn where the real cowmen spend their days, but I just don't hear a lot of your problems coming from Texas ranchers. Where do you get this information?

You know Texan opening the Canadian border just don't seem to be that big an issue to me either. But thanks for letting me know where to get good info from real cowmen.

 

[BLACKPOWER]

To our American friends, I wonder how many of those Texas ranchers who are lobbing to keep out CDN beef out.....

Maybe I don't get out enough. I don't hang out at the coffee shop, feed store or salebarn where the real cowmen spend their days, but I just don't hear a lot of your problems coming from Texas ranchers. Where do you get this information?

You know Texan opening the Canadian border just don't seem to be that big an issue to me either. But thanks for letting me know where to get good info from real cowmen.

I would like to know from all you "kind hearted" Texans who are on the board how many cattle you actually run. Obviously you have such small herds that price flucuations don't concern you. If any of you took a little trip up to a bar after a sale day here in "Real Cattle Country" and spouted off about how you want the border opened you would get your ass kicked and rightfully so.

 

[la4angus]

I had my ass whupped before for spouting off about John F Kennedy. But it took 8 of them to do it. I could have taken any three of them but 8 against one is pretty tough. Is that how you real cowboys work too.

 

[BLACKPOWER]

I had my ass whupped before for spouting off about John F Kennedy. But it took 8 of them to do it. I could have taken any three of them but 8 against one is pretty tough. Is that how you real cowboys work too.

That's what you Bush lovers do take one irrelevent part of the statement harp and that and avoid the real issue.
Just answer the damn question and leave this JFK vs. Chuck Norris crap out of it.

Fair and Balanced isn't that what you guys all want?

This has to be the biggest bleeding heart Canadian loving site on the internet.

 

[Cattle Rack Rancher]

I've always known that the socialists in this world have a poor understanding of economics. I've always suspected that their IQ was quite a bit lower than us right wingers. Suspicions confirmed.

 

[BLACKPOWER]

I've always known that the socialists in this world have a poor understanding of economics. I've always suspected that their IQ was quite a bit lower than us right wingers. Suspicions confirmed.

Give me some SOLID economics on how the border opening is gonna benefit me.

 

[CattleAnnie]

Hey Bez, CattleRack, Frenchie (& any other Canadians),
Are you folks experiencing a real cold wet spell in your area too? It's been pretty darn unsettled around here for the last week or so. Can't bale the green feed or even move the bales off the field into the hay yard (fields are so darn soggy).

On the upside due to the rain at home was able to catch that World Cup hockey game this afternoon...sure was great to watch it!

Maybe tomorrow I'll make a trip out to the pasture and see if I can thin out the local wolf population a little. My calves and cows may not be worth much, but I sure don't like feeding them to the wolves all the same.

Take care.

 

[frenchie]

[Hey Bez, CattleRack, Frenchie (& any other Canadians),
Are you folks experiencing a real cold wet spell in your area too? It's been pretty darn unsettled around here for the last week or so. Can't bale the green feed or even move the bales off the field into the hay yard (fields are so darn soggy).

Yep we seem to have hit the rainy season here.Probably going to take another frost to change the weather.


frenchie

 

[ChrisB]

I didn't think it was such a great game. The last half was okay, but the first period and 1/2 the second were terrible. Could you please remind me who the defending champs are? ;-) Good luck the rest of the tourny (unless we meet again).

 

[Bez]

Well, there is always a silver lining somewwhere.

Wife just sold 10 fats to a chain of folks in Ottawa - not a great price, but we will realize 2 bucks a pound after cut wrap and freeze - they pick up at butcher.

Takes a bit of pressure off.

Wet is not the word - one inch of water last night

 

[Craig-TX]

I would like to know from all you "kind hearted" Texans who are on the board how many cattle you actually run.

If you're for real you should know better than to even ask that question - for two reasons. One, it's a rude question. Two, the answer has no bearing on the value of an informed person's opion. But I'll answer it this way: more than you. That would be a safe bet.

Craig-TX

 

[Campground Cattle]

To our American friends, I wonder how many of those Texas ranchers who are lobbing to keep out CDN beef out.....

Maybe I don't get out enough. I don't hang out at the coffee shop, feed store or salebarn where the real cowmen spend their days, but I just don't hear a lot of your problems coming from Texas ranchers. Where do you get this information?

You know Texan opening the Canadian border just don't seem to be that big an issue to me either. But thanks for letting me know where to get good info from real cowmen.

I would like to know from all you "kind hearted" Texans who are on the board how many cattle you actually run. Obviously you have such small herds that price flucuations don't concern you. If any of you took a little trip up to a bar after a sale day here in "Real Cattle Country" and spouted off about how you want the border opened you would get your ass kicked and rightfully so.

Where you born with that hair up your butt, before you start wanting to whip some one you better find out what your fixin to grab a hold of.
You would rather be in a phone booth with a wildcat.
You have got to have the most obnoxious attitude.

 

[BLACKPOWER]

I would like to know from all you "kind hearted" Texans who are on the board how many cattle you actually run.

But I'll answer it this way: more than you. That would be a safe bet.

Craig-TX

I doubt it.

 

[PATB]

The best thing the US could do is annex canada and make it part of the US. It Would give alot more bargaining power int the world scene and save alot of money on border patrols.

pat

 

[Dave]

Pat,

I don't think they really want to be part of the USA. Most Canadians I know like the independence too much. On the other hand I have a friend who claims that they are getting ready to atteck. He says they have been massing at the borders for years.

Dave