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<blockquote data-quote="Bez" data-source="post: 45735" data-attributes="member: 412"><p>Well, let's see:</p><p></p><p>David Kruse neglects to mention a few things:</p><p></p><p>1. The "Canadian cow" located in Alberta was owned and fed by an American immigrant to Canada.</p><p></p><p>2. The "Canadian cow" found in Washington - where did it get this non-communicable disease?</p><p></p><p>Feed laws were changed some seven years ago. Who decided to ignore the bans?</p><p></p><p>Many here are beginning to think conspiracy - right or wrong that is the line of thought.</p><p></p><p>The above comments are not to generate anger - just comments that are now being looked at by the folks that wonder.</p><p></p><p>What is truly important is the fact that we have an identification process that can actually trace an animal back to its' origin - we prevented all of the American owned animal from Alberta from entering the commercial food chain. You do not have that capability, failed to do so with the Washington animal and in fact you SHOULD be copying our process if you are truly concerned about food safety</p><p></p><p>Quote - Canadian cattlemen aren't one bit happy with the U.S., as we </p><p>haven't opened the border to live animals. - end quote</p><p></p><p>While there is some truth to this, it has also opened a great many eyes in this country. There are many who will never forget the free trade agreement and how we (fools that we were) believed it was in the best interests of both countries to ship our live cattle south and allow processing to become foreign owned. I no longer await the border to open. Many of us no longer want to be held at risk again - we will find methods to go forward and succeed without the partner we once thought we had. We will be stronger for this. Blood brothers no more.</p><p></p><p>We may never have what we once had, but we who survive will also never allow this type of thing to happen again. We now know that free trade agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. Our processing capacity will be increased and we will compete once again in the international market place.</p><p></p><p>I am no longer angry - I am looking at different markets - as are others - perhaps Mr Kruse is wrong? Perhaps he is exaggerating? It makes for good press.</p><p></p><p>Let's talk protectionisitic for a moment. If anyone denies that - then they are are wearing blinders. But, that has also been a lesson in economics to us. You see, we developed our foreign markets in agreement with the U.S.of A. and the U.S. of A. was our largest - and by the way still is our largest trading partner - total Canadian exports into U.S. of A. We are also your largest trading partner - total U.S. of A. exports into Canada. </p><p></p><p>Unfortunately beef on the hoof is not part of that any more. In the end I actually have no problem with buying from the "home nation producers" first. That is why I would never consider buying U.S. grown food in this country if there is a Canadian alternative. In fact I find it easier every day to do without if there is no alternative.</p><p></p><p>If you want to talk about suing - let's look at all of the unsuccessful attempts by the U.S. to sue and add tariffs to products imported into their own county from Canada: Wheat, pork, soft wood lumber, and and so on. You folks never seem to stop. Funny, there has never been a complaint about our oil and natural gas. And, no suit that I know of has been successful to date. NAFTA is a joke and we all know it. Once again not worth the paper it is written on.</p><p></p><p>For whatever reason - the border was very close to opening - then R-CALF sued - and shut it down for certain. The reasons are not important - what is important is that a State government caused the Federal government to be over ridden. Such is life.</p><p></p><p>In the end, we are simply playing the game the U.S. of A. excels at. We may be slow learners, but we have learned.</p><p></p><p>Quote - we don't want to let them dump live </p><p>>animals on an already depressed cash market before we've revived U.S. beef exports? - end quote. </p><p></p><p>Depressed market? Wow, I wonder what a happy market is like? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Be that as it may I am hearing nothing but reports of excellent prices. Is this man telling the truth? I think not.</p><p></p><p>We destroyed Asian markets? Well, if there is no export market, and there is a surplus of cattle in the U.S. - why is there such good pricing? In fact there is no export market for your cattle for other reasons as well.</p><p></p><p>The most important reason is that there are not enough cattle in the U.S. to support the domestic market and continue the foreign markets at previous volume and pace - even if the markets were available to you. </p><p></p><p>You people are huge - your population EATS all of your beef - you imported our cattle to process, eat and export - and you also exported your own beef. You are importing boxed Canuck beef - and yet you are still maintaining good pricing. It is my opinion only that you actually need this beef because you are not yet able to produce enough for your own population. It will come in time, but never forget we also import your beef today. What the actual numbers are - who cares. We are both obligated to do this under trade agreements.</p><p></p><p>Mr. Kruse comments about Tyson / Cargill and such are accurate. But they are U.S. companies. They HQ under the Stars and Stripes. Never forget that. We do not like it either, but he makes it look like they are Canadian companies. We producers are being raped and not even getting a kiss.</p><p></p><p>Discrimination against R-CALF cattle is true. I admit I support this discrimination. </p><p></p><p>R-CALF members have publicly stated Canadian cattle are diseased and pose a health risk. This has been and may still be their mantra. I strongly disagree with it. Yet R-CALF personnel are willing to buy Canadian cattle and profit at the expense of their fellow U.S. of A. countrymen. R-CALF members know full well this beef will be boxed and sent to their own country. So, they would put their own countrymen at risk for the sake of profit? (figure of speech)</p><p></p><p>Hmmm .... if the cattle are a disease risk and yet they (R-CALF members) are willing to buy this beef and have this beef shipped to the U.S. - who is the responsible and truthful organization? I wonder why your own producers have not railed against this deceitful action by R-CALF? I let you be the judge of that.</p><p></p><p>David Kruse is president of CommStock Investments,Inc - he may be a very honourable man - but his writings smack of a reporter who only wants one side of the story to be told. </p><p></p><p>There are two sides to every story - he is telling only one.</p><p></p><p>It is late and I have rambled on - I wonder if this thread will remain.</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p></p><p>Bez</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bez, post: 45735, member: 412"] Well, let's see: David Kruse neglects to mention a few things: 1. The "Canadian cow" located in Alberta was owned and fed by an American immigrant to Canada. 2. The "Canadian cow" found in Washington - where did it get this non-communicable disease? Feed laws were changed some seven years ago. Who decided to ignore the bans? Many here are beginning to think conspiracy - right or wrong that is the line of thought. The above comments are not to generate anger - just comments that are now being looked at by the folks that wonder. What is truly important is the fact that we have an identification process that can actually trace an animal back to its' origin - we prevented all of the American owned animal from Alberta from entering the commercial food chain. You do not have that capability, failed to do so with the Washington animal and in fact you SHOULD be copying our process if you are truly concerned about food safety Quote - Canadian cattlemen aren't one bit happy with the U.S., as we haven't opened the border to live animals. - end quote While there is some truth to this, it has also opened a great many eyes in this country. There are many who will never forget the free trade agreement and how we (fools that we were) believed it was in the best interests of both countries to ship our live cattle south and allow processing to become foreign owned. I no longer await the border to open. Many of us no longer want to be held at risk again - we will find methods to go forward and succeed without the partner we once thought we had. We will be stronger for this. Blood brothers no more. We may never have what we once had, but we who survive will also never allow this type of thing to happen again. We now know that free trade agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. Our processing capacity will be increased and we will compete once again in the international market place. I am no longer angry - I am looking at different markets - as are others - perhaps Mr Kruse is wrong? Perhaps he is exaggerating? It makes for good press. Let's talk protectionisitic for a moment. If anyone denies that - then they are are wearing blinders. But, that has also been a lesson in economics to us. You see, we developed our foreign markets in agreement with the U.S.of A. and the U.S. of A. was our largest - and by the way still is our largest trading partner - total Canadian exports into U.S. of A. We are also your largest trading partner - total U.S. of A. exports into Canada. Unfortunately beef on the hoof is not part of that any more. In the end I actually have no problem with buying from the "home nation producers" first. That is why I would never consider buying U.S. grown food in this country if there is a Canadian alternative. In fact I find it easier every day to do without if there is no alternative. If you want to talk about suing - let's look at all of the unsuccessful attempts by the U.S. to sue and add tariffs to products imported into their own county from Canada: Wheat, pork, soft wood lumber, and and so on. You folks never seem to stop. Funny, there has never been a complaint about our oil and natural gas. And, no suit that I know of has been successful to date. NAFTA is a joke and we all know it. Once again not worth the paper it is written on. For whatever reason - the border was very close to opening - then R-CALF sued - and shut it down for certain. The reasons are not important - what is important is that a State government caused the Federal government to be over ridden. Such is life. In the end, we are simply playing the game the U.S. of A. excels at. We may be slow learners, but we have learned. Quote - we don't want to let them dump live >animals on an already depressed cash market before we've revived U.S. beef exports? - end quote. Depressed market? Wow, I wonder what a happy market is like? :) Be that as it may I am hearing nothing but reports of excellent prices. Is this man telling the truth? I think not. We destroyed Asian markets? Well, if there is no export market, and there is a surplus of cattle in the U.S. - why is there such good pricing? In fact there is no export market for your cattle for other reasons as well. The most important reason is that there are not enough cattle in the U.S. to support the domestic market and continue the foreign markets at previous volume and pace - even if the markets were available to you. You people are huge - your population EATS all of your beef - you imported our cattle to process, eat and export - and you also exported your own beef. You are importing boxed Canuck beef - and yet you are still maintaining good pricing. It is my opinion only that you actually need this beef because you are not yet able to produce enough for your own population. It will come in time, but never forget we also import your beef today. What the actual numbers are - who cares. We are both obligated to do this under trade agreements. Mr. Kruse comments about Tyson / Cargill and such are accurate. But they are U.S. companies. They HQ under the Stars and Stripes. Never forget that. We do not like it either, but he makes it look like they are Canadian companies. We producers are being raped and not even getting a kiss. Discrimination against R-CALF cattle is true. I admit I support this discrimination. R-CALF members have publicly stated Canadian cattle are diseased and pose a health risk. This has been and may still be their mantra. I strongly disagree with it. Yet R-CALF personnel are willing to buy Canadian cattle and profit at the expense of their fellow U.S. of A. countrymen. R-CALF members know full well this beef will be boxed and sent to their own country. So, they would put their own countrymen at risk for the sake of profit? (figure of speech) Hmmm .... if the cattle are a disease risk and yet they (R-CALF members) are willing to buy this beef and have this beef shipped to the U.S. - who is the responsible and truthful organization? I wonder why your own producers have not railed against this deceitful action by R-CALF? I let you be the judge of that. David Kruse is president of CommStock Investments,Inc - he may be a very honourable man - but his writings smack of a reporter who only wants one side of the story to be told. There are two sides to every story - he is telling only one. It is late and I have rambled on - I wonder if this thread will remain. Regards Bez [/QUOTE]
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