Canada Group to Sue US Over M-COOL

[Oldtimer]

Well getting back to the original topic of the thread .....

whats matter Ot truth hurts don,t it. Your wonderful testing program based on a flawed test.The sort of test that is only meaningful in Montana.

re MCOOL....Truth be known if the shoe was on the other foot .R-calf would be first in line to sue.

We've argued that point 10,000 times-- Saskartoon and mwj pull this change of subject every time their hineys are hanging out.... :roll:

I want to know why Canadians think they need to use FRAUD and DECEPTION and pass their beef/meat off as a US product in order to make it marketable...

Why do Canadians think they can't make a go of it unless they ride on the shirttails of the US cattlemen and live off the US teat?

This article makes it sound like Canadians have NO confidence in their product :roll: Makes it sound like unless they can continue to use fraud to pass it off to consumers as a US product it won't sell...Wanting to go back to the old status quo of riding on the US cattlemans shirttails....

Its hard to believe the outright arrogance of Canadian farmers/ranchers that think they should be able to tell US consumers how their meat products they buy in their own country should be labeled-- or what or how our US Congress can make laws in our country...

Canadians apparently have a guilty mind- because they seem to think this COOL law is aimed only at them-- but really is aimed at ALL the 40 countries the US imports meat/cattle from-- some of which like China, Asia, Mexico, etc. have terrible health and safety records on their imports...

When 90+% of US consumers are asking for this labeling (partly because of the Canadian BSE issue)- so that they can have an honest informed choice on the meat products they buy-- this CCA (AMI/Packer Puppets) move may create a backlash that creates much more harm and damage to the Canadian beef and cattle industry.....

He also said he has been talking with the big chain grocery stores to have more local and Canadian products on the shelves to try to help Canadian producers of all types.

"I understand that they're willing to provide it," said Mr. Norlock. "But customers have to keep encouraging them to buy local - and the customers always get what they want."

Sounds like what the CCA and Pork folks should be doing is working for their own Canadian M-COOL-- because no matter how loyal your customers are they can't buy what isn't labeled and they can't identify....



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Country of Origin Labelling under fire
Joyce Cassin

Local News - Monday, August 13, 2007

Northumberland Today - Ontario, Canada



Country Of Origin Labelling (COOL) isn't likely to help Canada's beef, pork and lamb industries with sales south of the border if the provision, part of the U.S. Farm Bill, gets congressional approval.



"And if this is proposed it will violate NAFTA and WTO agreements already in place," said Lianne Appleby, communications manager for the Ontario Cattlemen's Association.



Currently, Canadian livestock shipped to the U.S. and slaughtered there is marked as U.S. origin. But under COOL, which could take effect September 30, 2008, only animals born, raised and slaughtered in the U.S. would be considered of U.S. origin. All others would be labelled according to their true country of origin, regardless of where they are slaughtered.



"Beef products of Canada will be labelled as such, and that presents marketing challenges for Canadian beef," Ms. Appleby said.



As currently enacted, COOL would dramatically reduce U.S. market access for Canadian pork and beef producers, stated a release from the Canadian Cattlemen's Association (CCA), which is actively lobbying Ottawa to take action against COOL.



"COOL proposes that cattle must be born and raised in the U.S. to be labelled U.S.," said Ms. Appleby. "That creates cost problems for U.S. retailers/packers who are currently sourcing Canadian beef, as COOL may make it more expensive for them to continue sourcing cattle from here. The U.S. government has previously acknowledged COOL's benefits are small and it has no relation to either human or animal safety."



Canadian producers anticipate significant difficulties selling hogs and cattle to U.S. slaughterhouses that would seek to minimize the cost of tracking meat from foreign animals. Loss of the U.S. market would trigger an adjustment period in which hogs and cattle intended for U.S. export would instead be sold in the Canadian market, driving down Canadian prices to the detriment of all producers here, the CCA stated.



Ms. Appleby also said the law contravenes U.S. obligations to avoid unnecessary obstacles to international trade, to avoid materially reducing the value of imported products, to administer its laws uniformly and reasonably, and not to nullify or impair benefits that accrue to other parties under the World Trade Organization.



The cattlemen want Ottawa to issue a public statement on COOL's potential to violate both NAFTA and WTO agreements, begin expressing concerns with trade legislators in Congress, as well as with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and American trade representative.



Northumberland-Quinte West MP Rick Norlock said he is disappointed the U.S. is continuing on this track.



"It's my personal belief that this is just one more step in trying to close the border to Canadian beef and increase the price of their beef," he said.



Mr. Norlock said it's a "small minor roadblock" and they plan to work with the Canadian industry and other allies who would be negatively affected, if COOL passes.



He also said he has been talking with the big chain grocery stores to have more local and Canadian products on the shelves to try to help Canadian producers of all types.



"I understand that they're willing to provide it," said Mr. Norlock. "But customers have to keep encouraging them to buy local - and the customers always get what they want."



northumberlandtoday.com

 

[vs_cattle]

Where are you getting the 90% of American are asking for Cool program not that Im against it but I dont think 90% of American know what bse is

 

[Oldtimer]

Where are you getting the 90% of American are asking for Cool program not that Im against it but I dont think 90% of American know what bse is

The Consumers Report poll that was released in mid July--that had results that even shocked them...92% of US consumers want to know what country their food comes from-- Country of Origin Labeling....That is about a 10% increase from the last poll I saw (82%)....
An interesting point made is that the sentiment of strict/stricter labeling requirements was from across all demographic segments of the country...

Looks like our USDA/NCBA/AMI are completely out of touch with the US consumer...Besides 92% wanting Country of Origin Labeling,

90% believe that Meat companies should be allowed to test for Mad Cow disease and to label the meat as such...

62% of consumers say they would choose the beef that is tested for Mad Cow and so labled....

89% want meat and dairy products from cloned animals labeled as such...

88% want to allow milk from cows raised without Synthetic Bovine Growth Hormone to be labeled as such.....

55% of the consumers said they would choose the Hormone free milk......

http://consumerist.com/consumer/white-n ... 277777.php

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On top of that the poll of cattle owner Beef Checkoff payers done by the USDA showed that Ninety-two (92) percent of those surveyed would strongly agree or somewhat agree that "if it were possible all or at least some portion of the Beef Checkoff dollars should be used to promote only U.S. born and raised beef."- which would require COOL....


CN_Today 1/26/2007 9:02:00 AM


USDA Announces Results Of Nationwide Beef Checkoff Survey

WASHINGTON, Jan. 25, 2007 - Today, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced the results of the Beef Checkoff Survey, which was conducted recently among beef, dairy, and veal producers nationwide.

From Oct. 4 through Nov. 21, 2006, the Gallup Organization, with oversight by USDA, interviewed 8,002 beef, dairy and veal producers across the nation to measure their attitudes regarding the Beef Checkoff Program. This program assesses $1-per-head on all cattle sold in the United States and $1-per-head equivalent on imported cattle, beef and beef products, to invest in programs aimed at increasing demand for beef and improving profit opportunities for cattle producers and importers who pay into the program. USDA oversees the program, which is administered by the Cattlemen's Beef Promotion and Research Board (Cattlemen's Beef Board).

The survey was conducted in response to a settlement agreement between Cattlemen's Beef Board and the Livestock Marketing Association as a result of a May 2005 U.S. Supreme Court decision, which ruled the Beef Promotion and Research Act constitutional. Checkoff dollars funded the survey and the dissemination of its results. Representatives of the USDA, Cattlemen's Beef Board, the Livestock Marketing Association, and the Federation of State Beef Councils worked together to develop the survey questions. Some highlights of the survey results are:

Seventy two (72) percent of those surveyed either strongly approved or somewhat approved of the Beef Checkoff Program. In a question on changes or improvements to the program, some respondents noted that they would like to see more advertising and more information about how checkoff funds are spent.

Sixty-six (66) percent of those surveyed would strongly approve or somewhat approve of the Cattlemen's Beef Board contracting directly "with any entity, including businesses, university researchers, advertising and marketing agencies, and other consultants." Less than 25 percent would disapprove of this move. Currently, the Beef Promotion and Research Act requires that the Cattlemen's Beef Board contract only with "established national nonprofit industry-governed organizations … to implement programs of promotion, research, consumer information and industry information."

Eighty two (82) percent of those surveyed would strongly approve or somewhat approve of "voting periodically on the continuation of the Beef Checkoff Program."

Ninety-two (92) percent of those surveyed would strongly agree or somewhat agree that "if it were possible, all or at least some portion of the Beef Checkoff dollars should be used to promote only U.S. born and raised beef." Currently, the program promotes beef, in general, and importers also pay into the program at $1-per-head on live animal imports and a $1-per-head equivalent on beef products. Even if promoting only U.S. born and raised beef meant canceling the checkoff assessment on imported beef and beef products, 75.4 percent of the survey respondents still strongly or somewhat agree that a portion of the checkoff dollars should be used to promote only U.S. beef. Currently, about $8 million or 10 percent of the total assessments collected comes from imports.

The results of the survey will be discussed in more detail during each of the respective group's 2007 annual meetings. For more information about the date and time the report will be discussed during these annual meetings, contact the Cattlemen's Beef Board at 1-800-388-2333, Livestock Marketing Association at 1-800-821-2048, or the Federation of State Beef Councils (National Cattlemen's Beef Association) at 303-694-0305. The final report will be available on USDA's web site at http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/mpb/rp-beef.htm on Jan. 25, 2007.

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Even back in the late 90's, when NCBA was working hard promoting M-COOL-(before they sold out to the AMI/Packers and did their infamous flipflop)- their surveys were showing that 70-80% of US consumers wanted M-COOL then-- and wanted the ability to make informed decisions on what meat products they buy.....They even testified to Congress on it...

You seem to forget that this is not just about Canada- nor BSE-- but the meat thats imported from 40+ nations of the world- many of which are almost third world with little or no inspections-or safety guidelines-and corrupt uncaring governments just like has been revealed with all the tainted Chinese food products...Meat/beef which then is stamped with a USDA inspected stamp altho 90+% is never inspected by a USDA employee-- and then passed off to unknowing consumers as a US product...After Lou Dobbs ran several segments on his show about the lack of inspection on imported foods-the proposed M-COOL law and the stalling USDA has done in enacting it-99% voted for M-COOL in his callin/web poll.....

 

[skcatlman]

Where is this coming from? IF you want to say something, just say it but remember i never change the subject YOU DO. When you are wrong you run and hide.LMAO I suggest you seek medical help as you seem to be become more confused on every post.

 

[vs_cattle]

I learned more about COOL today and I no longer can be fare and agree with COOL to me it looks like producers will bare the cost of the program, the system as it is today dosent appeal to me it fails in my eyes doesent offer any benefit its a waste of our Money, Chicken Beefs #1 Competitor is not being affected by cool giving them a more advantage over us, and Beef Packers are already against the system Sorry Im against it now as Im more informed

 

[Oldtimer]

General News
Most Americans willing to pay more for domestic meat: poll

By Janie Gabbett on 8/16/2007 for Meatingplace.com




Some 70 percent of food shoppers say they're willing to pay more for produce, poultry, meat, seafood and other food products produced in the United States, according to a new poll by Zogby International.

One in three respondents said they would pay up to 10 percent more for U.S. food, and nearly half (46 percent) would be willing to pay from 10 to 25 percent more. Eleven percent said they would be willing to pay 25 percent or more. And nearly 15 percent of respondents indicated they would not be willing to pay more.

The survey also showed that 90 percent believe knowing the country of origin of the foods they buy will allow consumers to make safer food choices, and 88 percent said they would like all retail food to be labeled this way.

But wanting to know and going out of their way to check where a product originates are two different things. Only 11 percent said they always check product origin, while 37 percent said they check most of the time and 34 percent said they check occasionally.

The Zogby interactive survey of 4,508 adults nationwide was conducted July 17-19, 2007. For more information see the Zogby poll news release.

 

[vs_cattle]

ya but is there gonna be a USDA inspector there just for COOL to make sure the animals being stamped with COOL actualy came from AMERICAN and Chickens are currently not being made to fallow COOL so the price of chinken will stay the same unlike beef so we lose even more consumers there I think there are better ways to spen beef related money

 

[Oldtimer]

ya but is there gonna be a USDA inspector there just for COOL to make sure the animals being stamped with COOL actualy came from AMERICAN and Chickens are currently not being made to fallow COOL so the price of chinken will stay the same unlike beef so we lose even more consumers there I think there are better ways to spen beef related money

vs cattle-- there is little to no chicken being imported...The Packers don't want imported chicken because they already control the chicken industry from chick to the plate....Thats the reason neither the cattle industry nor the consumer safety groups cared much about the chicken industry being left out....
One of the "benefits" of a totally vertically integrated industry... :roll: ;-) :lol:

All cattle are supposed to be examined by an inspector now previous to slaughter.... USDA has cattle already being segregated--for the BEV programs and the US school lunch program...Besides for those being slaughtered on the grid-- the Packers have to keep ID on each animal thru grading and all, in order to know who and how much to pay for each animal.... In many brand states (Montana is one) the cattle have to be brand inspected prior to slaughter already...

 

[frenchie]

Well getting back to the original topic of the thread .....

whats matter Ot truth hurts don,t it. Your wonderful testing program based on a flawed test.The sort of test that is only meaningful in Montana.

re MCOOL....Truth be known if the shoe was on the other foot .R-calf would be first in line to sue.

We've argued that point 10,000 times-- Saskartoon and mwj pull this change of subject every time their hineys are hanging out.... :roll:

I want to know why Canadians think they need to use FRAUD and DECEPTION and pass their beef/meat off as a US product in order to make it marketable........

Personally I have nothing against Mcool..

But this is not about fraud or deception OT..at least by Canadian beef producers..Its about some Canadian beef producers having concerns that Canadian cattle will have impaired acess to U.S plants due to the costs of segregation. quite frankly R-calf would sue in a hearbeat If they thought U.S cattle In a packing house in Mexico or canada had impaired acess to their respective packing plants.

Do you tell your customers what to do with your beef after You have sold it.



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Its hard to believe the outright arrogance of Canadian farmers/ranchers that think they should be able to tell US consumers how their meat products they buy in their own country should be labeled-- or what or how our US Congress can make laws in our country... ........

No worse than the arrogrance of yourself trying to push adoption of Mcool in Canada..

[Sounds like what the CCA and Pork folks should be doing is working for their own Canadian M-COOL-- because no matter how loyal your customers are they can't buy what isn't labeled and they can't identify............

Too bad you would,nt take you own advice .Right dick

"And if this is proposed it will violate NAFTA and WTO agreements already in place," said Lianne Appleby, communications manager for the Ontario Cattlemen's Association. ........

No surprise there

Canadian producers anticipate significant difficulties selling hogs and cattle to U.S. slaughterhouses that would seek to minimize the cost of tracking meat from foreign animals. ........

no surprise here.

Ms. Appleby also said the law contravenes U.S. obligations to avoid unnecessary obstacles to international trade, to avoid materially reducing the value of imported products, to administer its laws uniformly and reasonably, and not to nullify or impair benefits that accrue to other parties under the World Trade Organization. ........

Nor here








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[vs_cattle]

Well said :lol: :lol:

 

[rockridgecattle]

frenchie, your place says NW manitoba. Where? We are in the north interlake area.

 

[Oldtimer]

frenchie-- Have you been watching Lou Dobbs-- or any of the other US media? Have you been reading the US consumer news?
The whole US wants a COOL law-- no matter what country the product was in or came from....In fact they want more stricter ones than even the one now being considered......

There is a nationwide backlash going on right now against all these imports- and the dangers of many of them....Right now the US consumer thinks of the US products as being the safest in the world- followed by Canadian...Thats what the polls indicate.....

But
If Canada goes to battle against this M-COOL now it will do more harm to the Canadian cattle industry than any good it could reallize....It will do the job that you accuse R-CALF of doing--publicize the Mad Cow problem in Canada, while covering all the problems of other imports of the world-- and show not only the public, but Congress the issue of losing sovereignty with these FTA's....

Do you think dragging Canada's BSE issue thru all the WTO, NAFTA, GATT, Federal Court, & Congressional hearings and the worldwide press coverage that would bring, just to change the US M-COOL is worth it?

Dobbs has taken this on as a personal issue-- and he would have no problem smearing Canada all over the world....

The only reason I even mention a Canadian M-COOL is that I think this is one more way that Canadians can take back a little bit of control from the Multinational Coporations that have taken over your industry....The money spent fighting M-COOL in the US would be much better spent promoting your product- and advertising "Product of Canada" or "Product of USA and Canada" labeled Beef.... Because next year that is what it will be...

And with the kill plants in Canada closing it looks like there is opportunity galore to be shipping out "Product of Canada" beef....

But it appears to me that Canadians are afraid that unless they can continue to fraudulently pass off their beef/cattle as US product it won't sell.... They would prefer to go back to the old status quo- riding on the shirttails of the US cattleman- and sucking the US hind teat- rather than move forward in developing their own industry....

 

[skcatlman]

OT when are you going to stop blaming canadians for the US based multinational packers taking over the canadian beef trade and packing industry. :roll: :roll: :roll: They are the ones who developed the north american beef herd concept and you still say it is canadian beef producers who are causing the problem. The reason this has occured is that the US dollar was much higher than the canadian dollar and we did honor trade agreements and thus could not act as protectionists as some do.
As for challenging COOL hurting canadian beef sales, when we test for bse we find it because we test high risk cattle volentarily while evidence shows that in the US companies doing the testing submit tests from UTM cattle that are low risk (showing no neurological signs) and OTM high risk cattle (showing clinical signs of neurological disease) are put into the human foodchain untested. Some call it gambeling but the truth is it isn't gambeling but just a matter of time before this comes back to bite the US cattleman. You can deny but time will show that the US cowherd has a serious problem with BSE.
SPP? I wonder why bush wants canadians and mexicans help out, maybe because he realizes that a billion dollars in trade per day with canada is important, don't forget canada is one of the largest trading partners with the US. Maybe others should come to that realization as well.
Oh well the US will do what ever it wants.

 

[frenchie]

frenchie-- Have you been watching Lou Dobbs-- or any of the other US media? Have you been reading the US consumer news?
The whole US wants a COOL law-- no matter what country the product was in or came from....In fact they want more stricter ones than even the one now being considered......

There is a nationwide backlash going on right now against all these imports- and the dangers of many of them....Right now the US consumer thinks of the US products as being the safest in the world- followed by Canadian...Thats what the polls indicate.....

But
If Canada goes to battle against this M-COOL now it will do more harm to the Canadian cattle industry than any good it could realize..

lets clarify something here OT..It some Canadian Cattleman and pork producers that are behind this not Canada Oh course your hatred of Canadians means you blame all for the preceived sins of another

..It will do the job that you accuse R-CALF of doing--publicize the Mad Cow problem in Canada,

the publication of Canada B.s.e occurences has nothing to do with my issue with R-Calf It is the extensive use of lies and half truths they use while ignoring their own B.s.e problem that i take exception to

while covering all the problems of other imports of the world-- and show not only the public, but Congress the issue of losing sovereignty with these FTA's....

Do you think dragging Canada's BSE issue thru all the WTO, NAFTA, GATT, Federal Court, & Congressional hearings and the worldwide press coverage that would bring, just to change the US M-COOL is worth it?

Do I care...I have no more control over what others do..than you.Frankly I have no concerns with worldwide press coverage .It will also bring out the problems within the U.S testing program and its flaws.


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The only reason I even mention a Canadian M-COOL is that I think this is one more way that Canadians can take back a little bit of control from the Multinational Coporations that have taken over your industry....The money spent fighting M-COOL in the US would be much better spent promoting your product- and advertising "Product of Canada" or "Product of USA and Canada" labeled Beef.... Because next year that is what it will be...

You think ..you don,t get to think OT its none of your business but There you go again sticking your fat ugly nose In Canada ,s business.. As usual its....do As I say not as I do.
Are you that arrogant to think that Canada does not advertise Its product Or whether stores carry exclusivily Canadian product .

But it appears to me that Canadians are afraid that unless they can continue to fraudulently pass off their beef/cattle as US product it won't sell.... They would prefer to go back to the old status quo- riding on the shirttails of the US cattleman- and sucking the US hind teat- rather than move forward in developing their own industry....

I wondered how long it would take for your hind teat to make an apperance. prehaps you would like some cheese to go with your whine............As i told you before It is not up to me to tell a customer what he should do with purchased product.Its his to do with as he likes.

 

[Oldtimer]

frenchie-- Have you been watching Lou Dobbs-- or any of the other US media? Have you been reading the US consumer news?
The whole US wants a COOL law-- no matter what country the product was in or came from....In fact they want more stricter ones than even the one now being considered......

There is a nationwide backlash going on right now against all these imports- and the dangers of many of them....Right now the US consumer thinks of the US products as being the safest in the world- followed by Canadian...Thats what the polls indicate.....

But
If Canada goes to battle against this M-COOL now it will do more harm to the Canadian cattle industry than any good it could realize..

lets clarify something here OT..It some Canadian Cattleman and pork producers that are behind this not Canada Oh course your hatred of Canadians means you blame all for the preceived sins of another

..It will do the job that you accuse R-CALF of doing--publicize the Mad Cow problem in Canada,

the publication of Canada B.s.e occurences has nothing to do with my issue with R-Calf It is the extensive use of lies and half truths they use while ignoring their own B.s.e problem that i take exception to

while covering all the problems of other imports of the world-- and show not only the public, but Congress the issue of losing sovereignty with these FTA's....

Do you think dragging Canada's BSE issue thru all the WTO, NAFTA, GATT, Federal Court, & Congressional hearings and the worldwide press coverage that would bring, just to change the US M-COOL is worth it?

Do I care...I have no more control over what others do..than you.Frankly I have no concerns with worldwide press coverage .It will also bring out the problems within the U.S testing program and its flaws.


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The only reason I even mention a Canadian M-COOL is that I think this is one more way that Canadians can take back a little bit of control from the Multinational Coporations that have taken over your industry....The money spent fighting M-COOL in the US would be much better spent promoting your product- and advertising "Product of Canada" or "Product of USA and Canada" labeled Beef.... Because next year that is what it will be...

You think ..you don,t get to think OT its none of your business but There you go again sticking your fat ugly nose In Canada ,s business.. As usual its....do As I say not as I do.
Are you that arrogant to think that Canada does not advertise Its product Or whether stores carry exclusivily Canadian product .

But it appears to me that Canadians are afraid that unless they can continue to fraudulently pass off their beef/cattle as US product it won't sell.... They would prefer to go back to the old status quo- riding on the shirttails of the US cattleman- and sucking the US hind teat- rather than move forward in developing their own industry....

I wondered how long it would take for your hind teat to make an apperance. prehaps you would like some cheese to go with your whine............As i told you before It is not up to me to tell a customer what he should do with purchased product.Its his to do with as he likes.

Do I care...I have no more control over what others do..than you.

Thats the apathy I keep seeing in Canadians.....Ole Kaiser and Cam and their BIG C proposal are about the only breaths of fresh air I've seen coming from north of the 49th for years......
But apathy-- and everyone just wanting the old status quo killed it....

I can't do that-- been a fighter all my life-- and will fight the organizations, politicians and corporations I don't agree with-- every way I can...And since I'm not rich enough to buy off politicians like the Multinationals do- just getting the truth out to people is one way....

I figure If I only affect the local level- if we all did that, we'd start getting some results.....

 

[mwj]

OT if you were such a fighter why did you let the local butcher get away with selling that killer Canadian beef without so much as a whimper to your friends and nieghbors? :roll:

 

[Oldtimer]

OT if you were such a fighter why did you let the local butcher get away with selling that killer Canadian beef without so much as a whimper to your friends and nieghbors? :roll:

I don't know if getting a Senator to go public in the local/state papers about the fraud of the USDA stamp and the fact it was being practiced by all retailers-- introduce and pass a state M-COOL law- speaking to any/all groups--Getting the County Commissioners to come out and publicly denounce the practice used by Packers/Retailers and sign on to support the National M-COOL law would be considered a whimper or not to you.....Then I whimpered a couple more times in working to get one of the authors of the M-COOL elected US Senator last year over a long time incumbent that had forgot who he was supposed to be working for....

 

[mwj]

So OT what you are saying is you did not have the guts to upset the local people :roll: I am sure they are glad you were willing to rush out and save the rest of the world while they were left to dine on deadly beef :shock: I am glad that you look out for the locals on such a large scale :cboy:

 

[Oldtimer]

So OT what you are saying is you did not have the guts to upset the local people :roll: I am sure they are glad you were willing to rush out and save the rest of the world while they were left to dine on deadly beef :shock: I am glad that you look out for the locals on such a large scale :cboy:

I guess your going to read it anyway you want :roll: -- if telling everyone you could get to by the print media or in speaking engagements is not having any guts and not telling anybody-- than so be it.....

 

[frenchie]

Do I care...I have no more control over what others do..than you.

Thats the apathy I keep seeing in Canadians .

apathy Ot what a joke let me clarify

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Do you think dragging Canada's BSE issue thru all the WTO, NAFTA, GATT, Federal Court, & Congressional hearings and the worldwide press coverage that would bring, just to change the US M-COOL is worth it?

Dobbs has taken this on as a personal issue-- and he would have no problem smearing Canada all over the world....

Do I care...I have no more control over what others do..than you.Frankly I have no concerns with worldwide press coverage .It will also bring out the problems within the U.S testing program and its flaws.

Simply a response to your threat that Dodds would beat up the canadian beef Industry on the world stage..( too late R-Calf already did that)Go right ahead we have nothing to hide we have been upfront and straighforward about the whole B.S.E issue. Bring it on.

....I can't do that-- been a fighter all my life-- and will fight the organizations, politicians and corporations I don't agree with-- every way I can...
I figure If I only affect the local level- if we all did that, we'd start getting some results.....

Im not interested in your life story Ot.. So spare me the details..,