Bull that is a twin - OCC Magnitude

[Farmgirl]

What is the thought about Magnitude being a twin. Angus.org says he was a twin with a cow. How is the twinning gene passed down? If we get daughters what is the likelyhood that they will produce twins?

If he met your criteria, would you not use him because he was a twin?

Thanks,

 

[preston39]

Slim to none! For terminal use probably ok. For maternal use ...would be cautious.

 

[dun]

What is the thought about Magnitude being a twin. Angus.org says he was a twin with a cow. How is the twinning gene passed down? If we get daughters what is the likelyhood that they will produce twins?

If he met your criteria, would you not use him because he was a twin?

Thanks,

There is a possibility that his daughters would have a higher then average incidence of twins.

dun

 

[preston39]

dun

Slim..as I understand it...maybe you have technicals that I have not seen?

 

[bullred]

I think I remember reading somewhere that twins go hand-in-hand with fertility problems. Is this correct, or am I mistaken?

--CJ

 

[dun]

dun

Slim..as I understand it...maybe you have technicals that I have not seen?

Using bulls and cows that are twins was how the twinner lines of cattle were developed. It is a heritable trait therefore it can be passed along to subsequent generations.

dun

 

[mtnman]

bullred:

Sounds like that garbage that Gearld Fry and Stockman Grass Farmer are promoting with the guy from ACRES USA. What's his name? Charles Walters?

Anyway, it is complete horsecrap, they don't know what they are talking about. They wouldn't know fertility if it bit them in the butt!

mtnman

 

[mtnman]

Preston:

Why is OCC Magnitude a terminal bull? What makes him terminal?

mtnman

 

[Frankie]

What is the thought about Magnitude being a twin. Angus.org says he was a twin with a cow. How is the twinning gene passed down? If we get daughters what is the likelyhood that they will produce twins?

If he met your criteria, would you not use him because he was a twin?

Thanks,

You might search his pedigree and see if there are several twins close up. But if you don't find any, then I wouldn't be especially concerned about twins. What I'd be more concerned about his his height. He's double bred 6807 with an EXT dam. In my area, people like tall bulls. Plus his EPDs are still Interims; apparently no one has reported any calves yet. Maybe they'll show up in the next sire summary.

This is the bull we're talking about?

O C C Magnitude 805M Reg: 14456390

http://www.angus.org/common/epd_ped_dtl ... 40445F4C42

 

[susie]

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I think I remember reading somewhere that twins go hand-in-hand with fertility problems. Is this correct, or am I mistaken? ]


Are you thinking of freemartins? Where a heifer calf is likely infertile if she was a twin with a bull calf?
Susie

 

[Farmgirl]

This is the bull we're talking about?

O C C Magnitude 805M Reg: 14456390

Yes, this is the bull.

Thanks,
Farmgirl

 

[mtnman]

frankie:

Why do they like tall bulls? What advantage do they have, over EXT, and 6807 sized?


mtnman

 

[Frankie]

frankie:

Why do they like tall bulls? What advantage do they have, over EXT, and 6807 sized?


mtnman

Beats the heck out of me, other than an animal has to cover quite a bit of ground around here to make a living. Some say they think a longer legged bull has an advantage. The majority of times a buyer looks at bulls in my pasture, he'll select the taller bull. I'm not trying to raise FS 7 & 8 bulls, but I'm sure trying to stay with FS 6 bulls. I know that some regions of the country are happy with FS 5 (maybe even some 4s), but I have to provide what the local buyers want and that seems to be bigger framed bulls.

 

[Oldtimer]

Now to me he would be a good bull to use-- double bred 6807 and EXT, so should moderate size and frame- while still maintaining fair weaning weight-- EPD's are all moderate +10 CE, +.3 BW, +39 WW, +71 YW, +15 Milk........ The biggest problem I see with the angus breed anymore is that many herds no longer have the characteristics of the angus breed-- some herds are getting to be where the 1700 lb. mature cows are the average, this along with +30-40 Milk Epds-- which created all the rumors of what was mongrelized into the angus bloodlines to get the rapid growth and characteristics change......Now some producers are looking for breeding to bring them back more to an average to regain the easier keeping, more fertile animal that will breed back and stay in the herd longer- increasing overall efficiency....

 

[preston39]

Preston:

Why is OCC Magnitude a terminal bull? What makes him terminal?

mtnman

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mtnman,

Wasn't avoiding you..just spotted your question.

Probably because of his mother is an EXT genetic. But, he is un proven at this stage...and I may have unfairly characterized him. I think it was his low milk EPD that concerned me when I reviewed his data. I will with draw my terminal class thoughts...for now.

For info;http://www.angus.org/common/epd_ped_dtl.html?A=0E061F55555E45425958425958405F55405E4F46544F415A520F&B=44465840445F4C42

There should be some prodigny reports on him before long. I will analyze his data more and will respond further....soon. We are in hay right now and time is of essence...I'm sure you know.

 

[preston39]

dun

Slim..as I understand it...maybe you have technicals that I have not seen?

Using bulls and cows that are twins was how the twinner lines of cattle were developed. It is a heritable trait therefore it can be passed along to subsequent generations.

dun

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dun,
I thought I had read/understood that the twinner thing was passed by mom...mostly....to heifer. Am i understanding that point correctly?( Maybe not.)

 

[dun]

dun

Slim..as I understand it...maybe you have technicals that I have not seen?

Using bulls and cows that are twins was how the twinner lines of cattle were developed. It is a heritable trait therefore it can be passed along to subsequent generations.

dun

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dun,
I thought I had read/understood that the twinner thing was passed by mom...mostly....to heifer. Am i understanding that point correctly?( Maybe not.)

The bull enters into the equation just as the cow does. You just see it one generation later because thye bull can't give birth to twins.

dun

 

[Oldtimer]

To bring this up to date--I did finally try AIing a couple of heifers to OCC Magnitude...

This heifer calf is a pet - out of a Bannon of Wye 1st calf heifer..

This is a Magnitude bull calf out of a Cole Creek Juanada Lad 81 T heifer...A picure I took a month or so ago...I couldn't get a picture of him yesterday- but he's sure packing on the pounds- and appears he will be really moderate framed...

 

[sim.-ang.king]

I think I remember reading somewhere that twins go hand-in-hand with fertility problems. Is this correct, or am I mistaken?

--CJ

If you have a bull and heifer then the heifer will be a freemarten.
I believe.

 

[Northern Rancher]

One thing about a small framed EXT cross you can usually beat one to the fence when they bring the heat lol.