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TNT JUMP START R238
PB SM Bull DNA: PCB

Owner- SELECT SIRES INC

CE Brth Wean Year MCE Milk MWW Stay CW YG Marb BF REA Shr API TI
EPD 20.3 -3.2 28.6 57.2 -1.1 10.1 24.4 22.4 -9.3 -0.09 0.50 0.00 0.17 -0.29 155.0 77.0
ACC 0.43 0.79 0.73 0.68 0.18 0.27 0.29 0.07 0.52 0.52 0.47 0.48 0.44 0.09

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It is just as impossible to evaluate a bull or a cow or any other head of livestock without a visual appraisal available as it was to buy a "mail-order bride" in the 'olden days'! Would you consider buying, or purchasing a bull that you have never seen??

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DOC HARRIS":2clvn6bo said:
It is just as impossible to evaluate a bull or a cow or any other head of livestock without a visual appraisal available as it was to buy a "mail-order bride" in the 'olden days'! Would you consider buying, or purchasing a bull that you have never seen??

DOC HARRIS
Maybe with a little bit more function on your part you could have looked at who owned him and go look at his picture online? It isn't that difficult to go online and look at this Bull.. Surely I don't have to do all the work for you? Instead of findng fault with my post why can't you stay on topic and evaluate this Bull based on his traits? It is fairly evident that you have not ever bought a single straw of semen in your life and have no idea of how to evaluate a bull based on Genotype and Phenotype. maybe you do have the ability to evaluate a Bull -- I look forward to it--- but I have an idea you will just come back and complain........

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4CTophand":16avuhgv said:
DOC HARRIS":16avuhgv said:
It is just as impossible to evaluate a bull or a cow or any other head of livestock without a visual appraisal available as it was to buy a "mail-order bride" in the 'olden days'! Would you consider buying, or purchasing a bull that you have never seen??

DOC HARRIS
Maybe with a little bit more function on your part you could have looked at who owned him and go look at his picture online? It isn't that difficult to go online and look at this Bull.. Surely I don't have to do all the work for you? Instead of findng fault with my post why can't you stay on topic and evaluate this Bull based on his traits? It is fairly evident that you have not ever bought a single straw of semen in your life and have no idea of how to evaluate a bull based on Genotype and Phenotype. maybe you do have the ability to evaluate a Bull -- I look forward to it--- but I have an idea you will just come back and complain........

T

Maybe since it isn't so hard to look the bull up, you could post a link or a picture, instead of giving Doc a hard time? You are the one asking the questions, I think you are the one that needs to do the leg work, least you could do is post a link, I wouldn't waste my time with you if you are so lazy you can't even do that! :tiphat:
 
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For those who do not read the Post in its' entirity This Bull is owned by Select Sires

http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directory/pdf%20files/7SM49%20Jump%20Start.pdf
 
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Red Bull Breeder":2jfbiirn said:
Doesn't look like anything of interest to me.
thats quite alright -- I also use red bulls and I will post some of them later.
 

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4CTophand":25nucj0d said:
For those who do not read the Post in its' entirity This Bull is owned by Select Sires

http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directory/pdf%20files/7SM49%20Jump%20Start.pdf

I can read just fine, you might try doing the same with the others you asked about and someone might reply.
 

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4CTophand":2v3wif2a said:
For those who do not read the Post in its' entirity This Bull is owned by Select Sires

http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directory/pdf%20files/7SM49%20Jump%20Start.pdf

He is pinched in the girth for sure, otherwise looks decent.
 

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DOC HARRIS":3v6watyt said:
It is just as impossible to evaluate a bull or a cow or any other head of livestock without a visual appraisal available as it was to buy a "mail-order bride" in the 'olden days'! Would you consider buying, or purchasing a bull that you have never seen??

DOC HARRIS
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Evaluate this Bull
Never in all the time that I've been AI'ing have I choosen a bull based solely on numbers. I prefer to see daughters of the bull or better yet the bull himself his dam, grand-dam, grand-daughters should he have any.
Personally if I was to choose a black simmental I would be more intestered in
7SM46 Majestic
majestic.jpg

http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directo ... jestic.pdf
7SM49Jump Start
jumpstart.jpg


Link to Select Sires Beef page for those who are interested
http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directo ... _2008.aspx
 
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Red Bull Breeder":3ga630ac said:
when you post them red bulls just go on ahead post pictures of them saves us short bus people from going to the trouble.
I will post the red bulls a little later and no pictures on them would do them more justice because their is only about 5 red simms with decent numbers on earth., but I will post soon until then go read my Post on the Limm vs Simm debate-- after you read that I can see you buying record amounts of CNS Dream ON from ABS
 

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Loch Valley Fold":z4oqvt55 said:
Evaluate this Bull
Never in all the time that I've been AI'ing have I choosen a bull based solely on numbers. I prefer to see daughters of the bull or better yet the bull himself his dam, grand-dam, grand-daughters should he have any.
Personally if I was to choose a black simmental I would be more intestered in
7SM46 Majestic
majestic.jpg

http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directo ... jestic.pdf
7SM49Jump Start
jumpstart.jpg


Link to Select Sires Beef page for those who are interested
http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directo ... _2008.aspx

Yup, much better looking bull.
 
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Loch Valley Fold":2dxopgo6 said:
Evaluate this Bull
Never in all the time that I've been AI'ing have I choosen a bull based solely on numbers. I prefer to see daughters of the bull or better yet the bull himself his dam, grand-dam, grand-daughters should he have any.
Personally if I was to choose a black simmental I would be more intestered in
7SM46 Majestic
majestic.jpg

http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directo ... jestic.pdf
7SM49Jump Start
jumpstart.jpg


Link to Select Sires Beef page for those who are interested
http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directo ... _2008.aspx



Majestic is fair as far as his EPDs, API and TI; but his individual performance is in the toilet starting with a 96 lb birth weight unless you are breeeding him to holsteins.His frame score is 6.5 which is unaccepatable these days of feed efficiency etc.. His MM is high, which translates to a heifer that carries a lot of frame and produces too much milk making her a huge user on resources.. She will mature as a 1500+ lb cow who will eat 45 lbs of hay per day and/ or forage and will probably produce the same sized calf as a frame score 5.5 cow and she will produce steer calves that will be framey with low feed efficiency combined with a lager frame and more time spent in the feed yard with a much heavier finishing weight-- this is your basic loose your you know what cow. Then again Majestic is out of GW Lucky Dice -- and why would you breed to this turd when you could just breed your cows to Lucky Dice?
 

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He didn't weigh 96, he weighed 92, and that doesn't mean his calves will weigh 92. Look at his CED at over 11 and a negative BW, duh!!! :dunce:
 

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Then again Majestic is out of GW Lucky Dice -- and why would you breed to this turd when you could just breed your cows to Lucky Dice?
If Majestic is as you say out of Lucky Dice were I breeding Simms I would happily & merrily go back & use Majestic's sire what would I have to loose?. I am a firm believer that a bull needs to out produce himself to be of any value to me or anyone else for that matter
 
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Thanks to everyone that posted something rather than derogatory statements..
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I'm a Semex girl myself :nod: Personally I like the gold & white simmis - maybe because that is what most have around here
No offense to any black Simmy breeders on here
 
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