Knowing what your doing
rgv4":1tnff004 said:Natural heat cycles. No drugs.
Knowing what your doing and getting everything placed in the right spot.
1 straw of semen per heat? 12 hours after standing? one of the "great breeders" you listed in another thread breeds them 3 times. once during heat, 6 hours later & 6 hours after that. is your protocol similar?
txag":11od7bvf said:rgv4":11od7bvf said:Natural heat cycles. No drugs.
Knowing what your doing and getting everything placed in the right spot.
1 straw of semen per heat? 12 hours after standing? one of the "great breeders" you listed in another thread breeds them 3 times. once during heat, 6 hours later & 6 hours after that. is your protocol similar?
rgv4":3tm9vmnl said:I use 1 straw, 10 to 12 hours after I see standing heat.
Didn't I say that I knew someone that did that, not that I did it. Everyone to his own way of doing things.
rgv4":1pb8vo8q said:Natural heat cycles. No drugs.
Knowing what your doing and getting everything placed in the right spot.
mobetter11":2lgckupk said:Txag,
Since you have "great breeders" in quotations are you saying that since they AI this way, they don't have good cattle or is not a good ranch?
I am reading it that they are just making sure that they get the cows bred on that heat cycle. How do you AI cattle? How many have you done? What's you accuracy percentage?
I have obviously missed some large part of this conversation. I would think though Dun your management would have a greater difference than the 95% conception rate you get on your place to the 87% at the neighbors , especially on fescue. 8% ?dun":1caje825 said:rgv4":1caje825 said:Natural heat cycles. No drugs.
Knowing what your doing and getting everything placed in the right spot.
That's exactly the way we do it.
12 hours after observed (or recognized by behaviour), 1 unit. But we use all CSS certified semen and that can also make a difference. We had one that didn't settle, but we didn't try to breed her again either. She was on the possible cull list and she had a knot on her cervix the size of a walnut. We also had one that missed a heat then came back in.
We also don't use expensive semen. It runs 12-20 a straw.
When we breed for other people with them doing the observations we only run around 87% first service conceptions.
dun
ollie":14jnq17g said:I would think though Dun your management would have a greater difference than the 95% conception rate you get on your place to the 87% at the neighbors , especially on fescue. 8% ?
dun":1m4pw0i9 said:ollie":1m4pw0i9 said:I would think though Dun your management would have a greater difference than the 95% conception rate you get on your place to the 87% at the neighbors , especially on fescue. 8% ?
The dairys really hurt the average too, usually they only have me breed if their bull hasn't been able to get the job done. dun
la4angus":2pjcfxof said:dun":2pjcfxof said:ollie":2pjcfxof said:I would think though Dun your management would have a greater difference than the 95% conception rate you get on your place to the 87% at the neighbors , especially on fescue. 8% ?
The dairys really hurt the average too, usually they only have me breed if their bull hasn't been able to get the job done. dun
What an interesting concept.
Most of the cattle people, beef and dairy, that I have known or been familar with or have read about, use a clean up bull after the AI tech hasn't gotten the job done.
This is the first time that I have heard of using a clean up AI Tech after the bull couldn't get the job done
Does every farm you breed cows on utilize rotational grazing? Does every farm cull all the heifers after their second A.I. attempt?I am just saying I think your management practices and mineral/health practices sound more than 8% better than any neighbor of mine.dun":3eyyygkg said:ollie":3eyyygkg said:I would think though Dun your management would have a greater difference than the 95% conception rate you get on your place to the 87% at the neighbors , especially on fescue. 8% ?
I'm not sure I understand the question, if it is a question. The cows I breed for others are obviously cycling, we all have fescue, even the dairys graze fescue. I think the 8% you mentioned is more a property of heat detection and cattle being calner or less excitable. The dairys really hurt the average too, usually they only have me breed if their bull hasn't been able to get the job done. It alwasy surprises me whrn I get one to settle that the bull couldn't, but I think that's just a case of "Even a blind hog finds an acorn ones in a while".
dun
dun":3uxk1mrm said:la4angus":3uxk1mrm said:dun":3uxk1mrm said:ollie":3uxk1mrm said:I would think though Dun your management would have a greater difference than the 95% conception rate you get on your place to the 87% at the neighbors , especially on fescue. 8% ?
The dairys really hurt the average too, usually they only have me breed if their bull hasn't been able to get the job done. dun
What an interesting concept.
Most of the cattle people, beef and dairy, that I have known or been familar with or have read about, use a clean up bull after the AI tech hasn't gotten the job done.
This is the first time that I have heard of using a clean up AI Tech after the bull couldn't get the job done
One of the dairys will sometimes have me a breed a cow that is still running with the bull.
dun
ollie":ue0f2cex said:Does every farm you breed cows on utilize rotational grazing? Does every farm cull all the heifers after their second A.I. attempt?I am just saying I think your management practices and mineral/health practices sound more than 8% better than any neighbor of mine.dun":ue0f2cex said:ollie":ue0f2cex said:I would think though Dun your management would have a greater difference than the 95% conception rate you get on your place to the 87% at the neighbors , especially on fescue. 8% ?
I'm not sure I understand the question, if it is a question. The cows I breed for others are obviously cycling, we all have fescue, even the dairys graze fescue. I think the 8% you mentioned is more a property of heat detection and cattle being calner or less excitable. The dairys really hurt the average too, usually they only have me breed if their bull hasn't been able to get the job done. It alwasy surprises me whrn I get one to settle that the bull couldn't, but I think that's just a case of "Even a blind hog finds an acorn ones in a while".
dun
frenchie":otngb445 said:Dun..........we use all CSS certified semen??