Break, enter ...and getting caught in the trap

[Cattle Rack Rancher]

So, I heard an interesting story this morning. My assistant and her husband were sound asleep last night when she awoke to a sound of thrashing coming from the basement. At first she thought a goose or something had crashed through her basement window. She got out of bed, and was peering through the darkness into the basement and she could see whatever it was, was big. So she called her husband, who is a pretty big guy. Well over six feet. When they went downstairs, they found a native...aboriginal,...First Nations person...whatever the P.C. term for that is these days. He was wedged head first through their basement window and got caught between the bottom of the window and their security bars. I guess he first tried the dead bolted front door and damaged that. Then he tried pulling the screen out of the kitchen window, but it was too high and then this rocket scientist figured he'd try the basement window. Anyway, in his struggles, apparently he did a fair bit of damage. Pushed over a book shelf and stuck one hand right through the back of a wicker chair. I guess my assistant's husband took great pleasure in jamming the security bars into the guy's back every time he started protesting his innocence. I'm pretty sure I would have done him one better, if I were in his shoes. My assistant was absolutely kicking herself for not getting a picture of the Indian they caught in their Indian trap. Even when the police showed up, he kept saying ' I wasn't f***ing doin' anything' and then he started threatening to report them for police brutality. I'm pretty sure that if it wasn't for these guys, we wouldn't have need of a court news section in the newspaper. So, I guess they are contributing something after all. I'm sure he'll be back on the street in a couple of days. :roll:

 

[Carlos D.]

He has a good reason -we took his land I'm getting pretty sick of their crying--and that I am responsible for all their pain -- when I check history before the white man came --their numbers weren't that high --for liveing on the plains so long The mortality rate is pretty high -stands to reason live in a tee pee in 40 below weather --they only had horses 4 or 5 hundred years before the white man came--(and they came from the white man)-- all the old history books I read describe the Canadian plains indians as a pretty scruffy looking lot --Somebody found a skull and took it to where my wife works (rcmp) they sent it away --results came back ,it was about 400 years old was a native women about 24 years old and she died of an absessed tooth --now I don't see to many people dying of tooth aches today --and I certainly would'nt want to be chaseing buffalo around for my supper especially before they had horses A friend of mine was a contractor --fixing up houses on the reserve -- they only had a few touch ups, left to do on this completely remodeled house --so the people moved in when they came back monday morning all the brand new doors were kicked off the hinges -holes in the wall I better quit ---getting pretty p.od

carl

 

[Cattle Rack Rancher]

He has a good reason -we took his land I'm getting pretty sick of their crying--and that I am responsible for all their pain -- when I check history before the white man came --their numbers weren't that high --for liveing on the plains so long The mortality rate is pretty high -stands to reason live in a tee pee in 40 below weather --they only had horses 4 or 5 hundred years before the white man came--(and they came from the white man)-- all the old history books I read describe the Canadian plains indians as a pretty scruffy looking lot --Somebody found a skull and took it to where my wife works (rcmp) they sent it away --results came back ,it was about 400 years old was a native women about 24 years old and she died of an absessed tooth --now I don't see to many people dying of tooth aches today --and I certainly would'nt want to be chaseing buffalo around for my supper especially before they had horses A friend of mine was a contractor --fixing up houses on the reserve -- they only had a few touch ups, left to do on this completely remodeled house --so the people moved in when they came back monday morning all the brand new doors were kicked off the hinges -holes in the wall I better quit ---getting pretty p.od

carl

It shook my assistant up quite a bit. She says she was up a good chunk of last night setting booby traps in case it happens again. Sort of like closing the barn door after the horse has left. We build houses for the reserves where I work and I've heard lots of stories, like the one guy who cut a hole through his bathroom wall so he could water his horse and another one about a family who bought a train set for their kids and cut holes in the wall so it could through the tunnels room to room. The government can't keep paying them. With all the people on welfare and all the baby boomers retiring, they'll lose their whole tax base. I think they should be given a choice of moving to the Northerm reserves or getting a job. Nuff said.

 

[Train]

I get tired of all the crying too. Something that always comes to mind is, that native kid that I went to junior high with always got good marks. I wonder why. That native family that lived in my apartment building when I was 20. He had a good job that he went to every day. The family was always well dressed and clean. Their two kids were some of the best behaved in the whole neighborhood. Why was that. Oh yah, because THEY WANTED TO.

It amazes me that so few make any effort to better their situation. Do I look down on native bums? You bet I do. Just like I look down on white, yellow or purple bums. And I don't mean people that have fallen on hard times. I mean people that can't be bothered to make an effort and blame the rest of the planet for their misfortune.

 

[andybob]

Carlos D we have been through the whole 'taking back our land' scenario. Briefly, the Bantu people usually considered native to our regeon are relative newcommers, the true native San or "bushmen" were almost entirely wiped out by the late 1800's as the Bantu tribes considered them as vermin.
Due to there being no precipitation during winter, the 6-7 month dry season results in all bit the major rivers drying up, so the Bantu people settled only in these areas, practising slash and burn agriculture, and regularly moving as the soils were exhausted. When the Matabele arrived in what is now Matabeleland, in 1865, my wife's ancestors were already established! A census in 1893 put the Bantu population at 250 000, the San were difficult to count being hunter/gatherers, but were estimated at 1000. The pioneers settled in the unoccupied hinterland, digging wells and building dams for water, draining malaria infested swamps to access the rich alluvial soils. C J Rhodes, appalled by the 80% infant mortality in the first year, financed a medical plan for the 'native' people, bringing out Dr Andrew Flemming from Scotland to run the whole scheme. Free education was another Rhodes effort to upgrade the local population. As the country prospered, more people immigrated from poor neighbouring states to take up work and benefit from the health and education schemes in place under our labour laws, including minimum wages and compulsory pension schemes, far ahead of any of the African country. Much of this infrastructure was dimantled by the new communist government in 1980,by which time, the 'native' population had risen to 8500 000, due to healthcare, immigration and an end to tribal conflicts. Against this (brief) history, the violent siezures of farms (including those bought with permission during the tenure of the new goverment), in 2000, hardly reflects a native people redressing past injustices.

 

[ALX.]

At present there are several "occupations" going on in Ontario.
"Natives" seizing by force lands that they say the Brits gave them 200 years ago for helping against the French. ( Lotta help they were!! :lol: ).

Provincial election coming up in the fall, the main promise of the conservatives is - one law for all. They will tear down barricades, remove the illegal occupiers, etc...
The natives say they do not recognize Canadian law.( They still cash those monthly cheques though! ).

We have been subsidizing the native war chest for way too long with casinos and federal Indian Affairs. They are better armed than the police and maybe even the army.

And now Greenpeace ( read BIG money ) is hooking up with them over one of the land seizures.Their ship ( icebreaker )pulled into harbour near here yesterday to raise support for the natives.

Going to get interesting.

 

[warpaint]

I hate to argue with anyone concerning their beliefs or what side of an issue they are on, because 9 times out of 10, you aint gonna change their minds no matter what you say.

If I understand ya'll correctly, it would be to everyone's benefit if all natives were lined up against a wall and shot. The guy responsible for this crime, could from any background, it just so happens he was native. Is it anymore terrible that this happened because he was? I think not.

I am very proud to be Native American. I also could qualify for grants because of my heritage. I choose not to. My Grandfather also chose not to.

Are there those that abuse this heritage? Yes. (Are Natives the only ones in Canada on welfare?) I think not. Are these others abusing their privledges? Some.

 

[ALX.]

If I understand ya'll correctly, it would be to everyone's benefit if all natives were lined up against a wall and shot.

I was thinking of you when I posted warpaint,no offense intended but hard not to be when this comes up. My 2 very best friends are native, the real white guy carries a card the real red guy has no extra rights! :lol:

And they both deplore what the warriors are doing.

As far as C.R.R.'s criminal - you put any folks in a slum (reserve) and some are gonna resent it and act like animals.
Too much politics involved, not enough humanity.

 

[Cattle Rack Rancher]

I hate to argue with anyone concerning their beliefs or what side of an issue they are on, because 9 times out of 10, you aint gonna change their minds no matter what you say.

If I understand ya'll correctly, it would be to everyone's benefit if all natives were lined up against a wall and shot. The guy responsible for this crime, could from any background, it just so happens he was native. Is it anymore terrible that this happened because he was? I think not.

I am very proud to be Native American. I also could qualify for grants because of my heritage. I choose not to. My Grandfather also chose not to.

Are there those that abuse this heritage? Yes. (Are Natives the only ones in Canada on welfare?) I think not. Are these others abusing their privledges? Some.

In my mind, being an 'Indian' has nothing to do with what color you are or what your heritage is. I've worked with lots of native Canadians who were really decent guys. Hard working and with a great sense of humor. The whole thing that gets me is the 'Indians' seem to have this sense of entitlement. They seem to think that the world owes them a living and that we should just hand over all our money to them. If we don't they just break and enter and take our stuff. I know that it is really hared for the native Canadians to ever make anything of themselves, especially on payday when a bunch of their 'cousins' are waiting to help spend their paycheque. But I think their needs to be a very fundamental shift in how things are done as far as the native population in Canada goes. If they want to live the life of their ancestors, then I believe they can stay on the northern reserves and hunt and fish and survive off the land, otherwise, I'm all for training programs and such to give them a hand up, but no more free money or free housing. We need to get these people contributing to the economy instead of always taking from it. This whole deal about how they lost so much when the white men came is bogus. They also gained alot, so I'm not in favor of paying them out for things that may have happened to their ancestors just because they are related. Some of those guys that are claiming that all these wrongs were done to them are whiter than me. Lets just apologize and move on as that seems to be the popular thing to do these days. JMHO.

 

[warpaint]

"If they want to live the life of their ancestors",


You mean the ancestors that used to be free to roam all over Canada, if they so desired?

And you want to stick them all on a reserve? :roll:

 

[Lammie]

He has a good reason -we took his land I'm getting pretty sick of their crying--and that I am responsible for all their pain -- when I check history before the white man came --their numbers weren't that high --for liveing on the plains so long The mortality rate is pretty high -stands to reason live in a tee pee in 40 below weather --they only had horses 4 or 5 hundred years before the white man came--(and they came from the white man)-- all the old history books I read describe the Canadian plains indians as a pretty scruffy looking lot --Somebody found a skull and took it to where my wife works (rcmp) they sent it away --results came back ,it was about 400 years old was a native women about 24 years old and she died of an absessed tooth --now I don't see to many people dying of tooth aches today --and I certainly would'nt want to be chaseing buffalo around for my supper especially before they had horses A friend of mine was a contractor --fixing up houses on the reserve -- they only had a few touch ups, left to do on this completely remodeled house --so the people moved in when they came back monday morning all the brand new doors were kicked off the hinges -holes in the wall I better quit ---getting pretty p.od

carl

My husband says that his company sells quite a few homes in New Mexico and the people on the reservations will take out the floors and build fire pits inside the house.

Please don't get me started, Carl. I believe that native Americans were handed a raw deal, but let us all please get over it. For all their talk about the destruction of their culture, they have done a pretty good job of destroying it themselves, especially in the day of the reservation casino. Talk about self-exploitation.

My step-daughter is real PC about that stuff, she's a whole quarter indian, (just like me), and she has taken full advantage of it. Her tribe pays for her schooling but she has never done anything with that expensive Ivy League education on an actual reservation, where the people there need her and she could do the most good. She's worked for an attorney in DC, who got caught up in the Jack Abramoff (sp?) scandal over indian casinos. She's indian when it suits her, but she isn't going to get her hands dirty. She's in law school right now, on the tribe's dime. I can't wait to see if she will actually go to work for "her people" after graduation.

 

[Cattle Rack Rancher]

"If they want to live the life of their ancestors",


You mean the ancestors that used to be free to roam all over Canada, if they so desired?

And you want to stick them all on a reserve? :roll:

If they want to work, they can live wherever they want. What I'm tired of is them sleeping all day and getting up and causing trouble all night. Again, its not all of them, but a percentage of them seem to feel a sense of entitlement for things that happened years ago. How long before they get over it? What's the statute of limitations on this stuff? Back in the 1700's, my family lost all their land in Scotland during the Jacobite rebellion. Many of them were hanged. Should I be going back and asking for compensation from the British government because of this and the fact that I've got to work? I think not.

 

[warpaint]

My main concern, in this thread is, that you seem, to have a lack of respect,or any compassion, for any native. No matter what?

Were they treated badly? Yes.

Are they entitled to something special, because of it? I think not.

Was it right, that Andrew Jackson, decided, with all his worldly knowledge, to ship us all to a land that was barren of anthing we were accustomed to? Really not.

How many of my people died on that trail? We may never know.

I do know, that my Great Great Grand mother was buried somewhere between, Pulaski, Tn. and Ft. Smith, Ark.

We will never know where.

Does this make you proud?
I guess not, it didn't happen in Canada.


"The Walk", to this day, is being honored in Tenn.

Many of my people, suffered, and died, because of gold and land.

 

[Txwalt]

My main concern, in this thread is, that you seem, to have a lack of respect,or any compassion, for any native. No matter what?

Were they treated badly? Yes.

Are they entitled to something special, because of it? I think not.

Was it right, that Andrew Jackson, decided, with all his worldly knowledge, to ship us all to a land that was barren of anthing we were accustomed to? Really not.

How many of my people died on that trail? We may never know.

I do know, that my Great Great Grand mother was buried somewhere between, Pulaski, Tn. and Ft. Smith, Ark.

We will never know where.

Does this make you proud?
I guess not, it didn't happen in Canada.


"The Walk", to this day, is being honored in Tenn.

Many of my people, suffered, and died, because of gold and land.

I'm not sure what your point is. I don't know where my Great Great Grand Mother is buried and I really have never given it a thought. I know my people were treated badly at different points in history but I aint gonna cry about it. I'm not 100 percent white but I'm 100% American. I wasn't born in Texas but I'm a Texan. I don't let people label me and if they tried I wouldn't cry about it.

You can lump me in with someone that has a lack of compassion for the native. You can make your own life or complain about people making it for you. Your living in the past and labeling yourself a victim.

Walt

 

[warpaint]

My main concern, in this thread is, that you seem, to have a lack of respect,or any compassion, for any native. No matter what?

Were they treated badly? Yes.

Are they entitled to something special, because of it? I think not.

Was it right, that Andrew Jackson, decided, with all his worldly knowledge, to ship us all to a land that was barren of anthing we were accustomed to? Really not.

How many of my people died on that trail? We may never know.

I do know, that my Great Great Grand mother was buried somewhere between, Pulaski, Tn. and Ft. Smith, Ark.

We will never know where.

Does this make you proud?
I guess not, it didn't happen in Canada.


"The Walk", to this day, is being honored in Tenn.

Many of my people, suffered, and died, because of gold and land.

I'm not sure what your point is. I don't know were my Great Great Grand Mother is buried and I really have never given it a thought. I know my people were treated badly at different points in history but I aint gonna cry about it. I'm not 100 percent white but I'm 100% American. I wasn't born in Texas but I'm a Texan. I don't let people label me and if they tried I wouldn't cry about it.

You can lump me in with someone that has a lack of compassion for the native. You can make your own life or complain about people making it for you.

Walt

If you had read this whole thread, you would know, that I nor my family, has ever once accepted any money from the goverment.

You say, you ain't exactly white, you say, you ain't exactly Texan, maybe that's why!

I am very PROUD to be a NATIVE.

 

[Txwalt]

My main concern, in this thread is, that you seem, to have a lack of respect,or any compassion, for any native. No matter what?

Were they treated badly? Yes.

Are they entitled to something special, because of it? I think not.

Was it right, that Andrew Jackson, decided, with all his worldly knowledge, to ship us all to a land that was barren of anthing we were accustomed to? Really not.

How many of my people died on that trail? We may never know.

I do know, that my Great Great Grand mother was buried somewhere between, Pulaski, Tn. and Ft. Smith, Ark.

We will never know where.

Does this make you proud?
I guess not, it didn't happen in Canada.


"The Walk", to this day, is being honored in Tenn.

Many of my people, suffered, and died, because of gold and land.

I'm not sure what your point is. I don't know were my Great Great Grand Mother is buried and I really have never given it a thought. I know my people were treated badly at different points in history but I aint gonna cry about it. I'm not 100 percent white but I'm 100% American. I wasn't born in Texas but I'm a Texan. I don't let people label me and if they tried I wouldn't cry about it.

You can lump me in with someone that has a lack of compassion for the native. You can make your own life or complain about people making it for you.

Walt

If you had read this whole thread, you would know, that I nor my family, has ever once accepted any money from the goverment.

You say, you ain't exactly white, you say, you ain't exactly Texan, maybe that's why!

I am very PROUD to be a NATIVE.

This is my last post on this thread. I did read the whole post. I didn't say anything regarding government money. I said "I'm a Texan".

Walt

 

[warpaint]

You said you weren't born in Texas.

How can you claim to be a native?

Also I ain't cry'in. My people were overrun years ago.

My point, was, and remains, that I am very PROUD to be Cherokee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's you're mix?