black herefords

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> I have heard about herefords that
> have a black gene. Can anyone
> justify this?

I have mostly angus, however, I do have a few hereford. I went to an angus auction last year and in one of the groups I purchased was a cow that looks exactly like one of my herefords, except she is black and white instead of brown and white. There may be something to this.

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If you did a DNA test you would find some angus or holstein in there somewhere, unless she is a sport which won't breed true to her color.

dunmovin farms

> I have mostly angus, however, I do
> have a few hereford. I went to an
> angus auction last year and in one
> of the groups I purchased was a
> cow that looks exactly like one of
> my herefords, except she is black
> and white instead of brown and
> white. There may be something to
> this.
 
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Anonymous

BLACK BALDY! (Hereford X Angus F-1) There is no such thing as a black Hereford. Herefords bred to angus result in a black cow with the white markings of a Hereford. Some people claim to have black simmentals that are purebred, these are simmentals that have angus in them somewhere way back to introduce the black color. Maine-anjou, braunvieh, limousin, and others are breeds which have developed so called "purebred" black strains of their breeds, which is actually angus influence.
 
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> BLACK BALDY! (Hereford X Angus
> F-1) There is no such thing as a
> black Hereford. Herefords bred to
> angus result in a black cow with
> the white markings of a Hereford.
> Some people claim to have black
> simmentals that are purebred,
> these are simmentals that have
> angus in them somewhere way back
> to introduce the black color.
> Maine-anjou, braunvieh, limousin,
> and others are breeds which have
> developed so called
> "purebred" black strains
> of their breeds, which is actually
> angus influence.

I've had several black baldies - my black and white "hereford" is exactly like my brown and white hereford. She has the facial features, the build, etc. or my herefords. She does not have any characterists of my angus. Can you supply me with any more info? It's not important, but my curiosity is aroused.

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We can flog this subject more if you like, but the black gene has to come from somewhere. If a black baldie is bred to a hereford there is a fifty fifty chance that the calf will be black, do that enough generations and they will look just like a hereford, or a limousin or braunvieh, or charolais for that matter. The black gene still has to originally come from a black animal, angus, holstein, whatever. the animal may be 99.9% Hereford and still be black, but it is NOT a black hereford. In the rare event of a "sport" which is caused by a mutation of the color gene I doubt if it could be registered as a Hereford anyway, just as the Black Angus assoc. in the US will not register a Red Angus calf produced from a mating of two black angus. I would suggest you read a good book on the genetics of color, that will explain it much better then I.

dunmovin farms

> I've had several black baldies -
> my black and white
> "hereford" is exactly
> like my brown and white hereford.
> She has the facial features, the
> build, etc. or my herefords. She
> does not have any characterists of
> my angus. Can you supply me with
> any more info? It's not important,
> but my curiosity is aroused.
 
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Anonymous

> We can flog this subject more if
> you like, but the black gene has
> to come from somewhere. If a black
> baldie is bred to a hereford there
> is a fifty fifty chance that the
> calf will be black, do that enough
> generations and they will look
> just like a hereford, or a
> limousin or braunvieh, or
> charolais for that matter. The
> black gene still has to originally
> come from a black animal, angus,
> holstein, whatever. the animal may
> be 99.9% Hereford and still be
> black, but it is NOT a black
> hereford. In the rare event of a
> "sport" which is caused
> by a mutation of the color gene I
> doubt if it could be registered as
> a Hereford anyway, just as the
> Black Angus assoc. in the US will
> not register a Red Angus calf
> produced from a mating of two
> black angus. I would suggest you
> read a good book on the genetics
> of color, that will explain it
> much better then I.

> dunmovin farms

Thanks dunmovin - That splains it good enough for me! Just hope she doesn't give green calves!!

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Anonymous

The cattle that are black instead of red with white markings that you purchased may be the Hays Converter breed. They look like herefords but are black with the white markings.
 
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Anonymous

These so called black herefords are still not herefords they are black baldies. Why they need a breed association to promote a type of cow that has been around since the forties is unbeknownst to me. They are still a crossbred not a breed.
 
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They are as much a Hereford as a black limo, simmenthal, Gelbvieh, whatever is of the breed the are claimed by.

dunmovin farms

> These so called black herefords
> are still not herefords they are
> black baldies. Why they need a
> breed association to promote a
> type of cow that has been around
> since the forties is unbeknownst
> to me. They are still a crossbred
> not a breed.
 
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Anonymous

> I have mostly angus, however, I do
> have a few hereford. I went to an
> angus auction last year and in one
> of the groups I purchased was a
> cow that looks exactly like one of
> my herefords, except she is black
> and white instead of brown and
> white. There may be something to
> this. I have never seen a black herford before in my life i have seen red,white but never balck
 
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Anonymous

> BLACK BALDY! (Hereford X Angus
> F-1) There is no such thing as a
> black Hereford. Herefords bred to
> angus result in a black cow with
> the white markings of a Hereford.
> Some people claim to have black
> simmentals that are purebred,
> these are simmentals that have
> angus in them somewhere way back
> to introduce the black color.
> Maine-anjou, braunvieh, limousin,
> and others are breeds which have
> developed so called
> "purebred" black strains
> of their breeds, which is actually
> angus influence.

I couldn't agree more. Nothing makes me laugh more than when I see a solid black bull and they call it a purebred simmental. Back when the roans started taking a huge price cut, these breeds were bred angus so they would get rid of their spots. It is unfortunate to the angus breed because they (angus) are not as pure, or as good, as they once were
 
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Anonymous

> Have you ever heard of a Punnent Square? It shows the heredability of a gene. It is pretty neat how there is many different ways to get the same phenotype. If you have never heard of a Punnent Square, I can give you more information and even an example.

We can flog this subject more if
> you like, but the black gene has
> to come from somewhere. If a black
> baldie is bred to a hereford there
> is a fifty fifty chance that the
> calf will be black, do that enough
> generations and they will look
> just like a hereford, or a
> limousin or braunvieh, or
> charolais for that matter. The
> black gene still has to originally
> come from a black animal, angus,
> holstein, whatever. the animal may
> be 99.9% Hereford and still be
> black, but it is NOT a black
> hereford. In the rare event of a
> "sport" which is caused
> by a mutation of the color gene I
> doubt if it could be registered as
> a Hereford anyway, just as the
> Black Angus assoc. in the US will
> not register a Red Angus calf
> produced from a mating of two
> black angus. I would suggest you
> read a good book on the genetics
> of color, that will explain it
> much better then I.

> dunmovin farms
 
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Anonymous

no matter what breed, they originate somewhere- maybe black hereford will eventually become a breed
 
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Anonymous

Most of these breeds claim to be "purbred" with only 87.5% of their true genetics.

I agree with previous postings......get a broom...flush them out.......an Angus will surface!

> BLACK BALDY! (Hereford X Angus
> F-1) There is no such thing as a
> black Hereford. Herefords bred to
> angus result in a black cow with
> the white markings of a Hereford.
> Some people claim to have black
> simmentals that are purebred,
> these are simmentals that have
> angus in them somewhere way back
> to introduce the black color.
> Maine-anjou, braunvieh, limousin,
> and others are breeds which have
> developed so called
> "purebred" black strains
> of their breeds, which is actually
> angus influence.

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texbulldog":p2mt9vac said:
There are definitely Black Herefords for real. The association seems to believe they are real and have the paper to prove it. Visit our site to see some examples of this breed. http://www.jbarbcattle.com
The association is made up of the members. So the dues paying members that have these black baldies want to call them black Herefords and believe that's what they are.
They could just as well call them white face Angus.
 

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