lancemart
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I read an article the other day that there are registered black Herefords. Does anyone know about this breed. How do I find a registered one. I have Polled Herefords know, can I do AI with a black Herford bull>/?
Black Hereford
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Here is their website:
http://blackhereford.com/
I'd call them with all your questions. Also there is a Black Hereford breeder on here, can't remember their name but sure they will post or PM.
Good Luck ;-)
http://blackhereford.com/
I'd call them with all your questions. Also there is a Black Hereford breeder on here, can't remember their name but sure they will post or PM.
Good Luck ;-)
VanC
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CPL":255xvr3n said:
I think the name was texbulldog. If you do a name search you should be able to PM him/her.
Caustic Burno
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The AHA does not recognize the crossbreeds you are refering to.
Mahoney Pursley Ranch
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Breed your Herefords to a good Angus bull and you will get the same results without all the BS.
usernametaken
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Mahoney Pursley Ranch":2x3uns99 said:
So a "Black Hereford" is what we've always called a Black baldie ? An Angus/Herford cross ?
preston39
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Someone posted earlier that the black hereford assoc. is growing fast;
http://www.blackhereford.com/
http://www.blackhereford.com/
jkwilson
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dun":706p5mdr said:
No, he underestimated. More like every 10 seconds.
shorty
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I have often wondered how the breed associations simmental , limosin and hereford can say they have purebred black cattle when everybody knows they were developed from angus crosses. I just brought up the black hereford website and nowhere did it mention where the black comes from . I have a registered black simmental bull, I have asked different people where the black comes from and nobody will give me a straight answer. Why dont they just admit that they are angus crosses?
novatech
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Well then I guess all good red herfords must have come from red angus. :lol:shorty":qu17dv9u said:
shorty":2ni9pg8b said:
You have to know the definition of purebred and fullblood. Full blood is 100% of the given breed, purebred is a percantage of another breed. If I remeber correctly (alwasy doubtful) it's something like a 86% for cows, not sure what it is for full. For that matter not sure if that's right for cows either, memory is a little flaky on numbers.
Jeanne - Simme Valley
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Dun is correct.
Shorty - I don't know who you have talked to - but black Simmentals have the black gene from a black animal of another breed - generally Angus.
The black gene is dominant - so it was real easy to get black purebred Simmental (Limo, etc).
In the Simmental breed, they have to be 7/8% Registered Simmental to be considered Purebred.
But, remember, there have been black Simmentals for 35 years. Some of those black cattle would be hard pressed to find much of any Angus gene in them. (you know - 999/1000%)
We had black 1/2 bloods back in 1970. :shock:
According to John Pollak, Cornell U., back about 10 years ago there was less than 8% Angus genes in the black Purebred Simmentals registered with ASA.
That's a pretty powerful 8% if the Angus breed wants to claim all the "good" in the black Simmentals came from Angus. The color of the hide doesn't make a good cow/bull.
The Black Herefords are basically the same thing. Back a few generations they were just plain ole BWF - black baldies - bred back to PB Hereford bulls. Someone decided they wanted to call them a breed instead of a crossbred. Voila! PB Black Herefords.
Shorty - I don't know who you have talked to - but black Simmentals have the black gene from a black animal of another breed - generally Angus.
The black gene is dominant - so it was real easy to get black purebred Simmental (Limo, etc).
In the Simmental breed, they have to be 7/8% Registered Simmental to be considered Purebred.
But, remember, there have been black Simmentals for 35 years. Some of those black cattle would be hard pressed to find much of any Angus gene in them. (you know - 999/1000%)
We had black 1/2 bloods back in 1970. :shock:
According to John Pollak, Cornell U., back about 10 years ago there was less than 8% Angus genes in the black Purebred Simmentals registered with ASA.
That's a pretty powerful 8% if the Angus breed wants to claim all the "good" in the black Simmentals came from Angus. The color of the hide doesn't make a good cow/bull.
The Black Herefords are basically the same thing. Back a few generations they were just plain ole BWF - black baldies - bred back to PB Hereford bulls. Someone decided they wanted to call them a breed instead of a crossbred. Voila! PB Black Herefords.
shorty":3q6xbzvh said:
Shorty,
You're still confused, Black Hereford has nothing to do with with Herefords (American Hereford Association) They are not the same breed. Black bald.... I mean Black Herefords were developed from Black Angus and probably other breeds and Herefords. They could have as easily been named White Faced Angus... doesn't mean they are Black Angus. If you use a Black Hereford on your prize Polled Hereford cow you get a cross bred calf.
In addition, as Dun said, they only have to be "purebred" not "Fullblood", meaning they may have some Limo or Simmi, or Holstien, or Shorthon or Great Dane in the woodpile.
I don't think they are a legitimate breed, they are a cross that has been done for many years. Just a ploy to jump on the black hide and CAB wagon.
JMO,
Alan
preston39
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http://www.telusplanet.net/public/circlex/blacks.htm
Then there are the super big blacks...on the horizon :roll:
Then there are the super big blacks...on the horizon :roll:
backhoeboogie
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If I buy something black and its not Brangus, I'd rather it be a baldy, by any name.
KenB
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novatech":2nqu2hqn said:
;-) 8) Maybe just the good part.
texbulldog
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If your are interested in some hands-on experience with black herefords, PM me or visit our website: http://www.blackherefordsoftexas.com
