Thanks for the tips on the Angus bloodlines to look for. We run about a 50 cow herd. This has caused us to look for bulls that were a little older than the usual 15 month olds that most breeders have for sale. It works OK when you get the breeders personal clean-up bull and not when it's the bull that everybody picked over. In all fairness to the Angus breed, this has probably led to some poor choices, at times. I'm thinking seriously about making my own bull, I do have a couple of black cows that are still cutting the mustard, although they do thin down a little more than I'd like. I think a lot of what I'm looking for has to do with rumen capacity as much as it has to do with fat patterns. The fat gets laid down in the good times, because that rumen gets fuller of good stuff. Then, when it's snowy, and I get the round bale from under tree that I need to cut down in the bale pen that's a little darker than the other bales, or whatever, the fat gives them some buffer while the extra rumen capacity gathers more calories, even with poorer feed. Rumens with corn in them don't have to be as big/work as good or whatever. A breeder that has a grass based system automatically selects for the best rumen, whether he knows it or not. A breeder that feeds corn doesn't have to worry about the rumen, capacity wise anyway. I think this has a lot to do with why some lines are better suited to grass only. Deep bodied cattle tend to have more rumen capacity, which in turn makes them work a little better in a grass only situation, which is probably what makes me think that the Galloway body style would work for me.