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I do have doubts about black Charolais being "100%" Charolais. After all, the American Charolais are bred up from whatever's available when the Charolais got introduced to the Americas and I guess they used Angus to breed with.
 

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Do you think that this Charolais Bull will have acceptable EPD's? I just wonder if he will be a calving ease Bull? :shock:
 

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But traditional Charolais are known for their size and is recognized as one of the biggest beef breed. If you want a kitten born, you better use another breed. An average Charolais calf is 110+lbs, so you have to choose those cows, which would handle such calf. Here you already can see that's a charolais calf by their bones size, especially by their thick legs. There definitely are some easy calving bloodlines, even if they still are big beasts as matured.
 

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lithuanian farmer":2kwkcjb9 said:
But traditional Charolais are known for their size and is recognized as one of the biggest beef breed. If you want a kitten born, you better use another breed. An average Charolais calf is 110+lbs, so you have to choose those cows, which would handle such calf. Here you already can see that's a charolais calf by their bones size, especially by their thick legs. There definitely are some easy calving bloodlines, even if they still are big beasts as matured.

Some of them I see have had the frame bred off of them.They are still the white color but for a Char they are very moderate frame wise. Still a wide rear end but not near as tall and mammoth.
 

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Probably would still be, if they had been used right...the type that started wide spread panic..and what started to moderate the breed.. Used to add a hundred+ extra pounds to a calf... now most are about equal to Angus growth ..
 

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Charolais in the France:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/2-EQ6c1f3zQ[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/99Bhn0OHqYo[/youtube]
In Ireland:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/ec7xAO8r8Vg[/youtube]

The most significant moderation done with Charolais here was the creation of a double muscled Charolais line. Not suitable for pure breeding. Working extremely well in crossbreeding. Actually abit easier calved than normal Charolais.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/fW3dVvX31CM[/youtube]

elkwc":yv744nko said:
Some of them I see have had the frame bred off of them.They are still the white color but for a Char they are very moderate frame wise. Still a wide rear end but not near as tall and mammoth.
Yes, same here. But even if they are smaller, still have bigger bones than other breeds. Have a couple cows sired by different bulls and some are very tall, some are short, but heavy. Like in every breed there are many different types, as every farmer forms his herd with the type of cows he likes the most. Everybody's herd looks abit different. But people, who work in purebred breeding seriously, sell their bulls for AI companies, always look for the better growth and most try to breed easier calving and milkier animals. Have used one Charolais bull this year, which has an extremely good growth, so I believe he'll produce some size too, abit lower than average calving and good milk.
 

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kenny thomas":2vds8jfq said:
sstterry":2vds8jfq said:
ALACOWMAN":2vds8jfq said:
Looks photo shopped...
Nope Paris Charolais show 2014

https://www.macgregorphotography.com/2014/03/paris-show-charolais-judging/
OMG white and has horns. Is there any way that he could be any good.
That bull is what a Charolais should be.

Never had any that looked quite like that as mine were American purebreds, not the full French. I tried to breed mainly for polled cattle because that's what most of my bull customers wanted, however there were some that only wanted a horned bull. Some wanted them likely because they thought would be priced less, then some said that they liked the horned ones because they had growthier calves.
 

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lithuanian farmer":2knksxkf said:
Charolais in the France:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/2-EQ6c1f3zQ[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/99Bhn0OHqYo[/youtube]
In Ireland:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/ec7xAO8r8Vg[/youtube]

The most significant moderation done with Charolais here was the creation of a double muscled Charolais line. Not suitable for pure breeding. Working extremely well in crossbreeding. Actually abit easier calved than normal Charolais.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/fW3dVvX31CM[/youtube]

elkwc":2knksxkf said:
Some of them I see have had the frame bred off of them.They are still the white color but for a Char they are very moderate frame wise. Still a wide rear end but not near as tall and mammoth.
Yes, same here. But even if they are smaller, still have bigger bones than other breeds. Have a couple cows sired by different bulls and some are very tall, some are short, but heavy. Like in every breed there are many different types, as every farmer forms his herd with the type of cows he likes the most. Everybody's herd looks abit different. But people, who work in purebred breeding seriously, sell their bulls for AI companies, always look for the better growth and most try to breed easier calving and milkier animals. Have used one Charolais bull this year, which has an extremely good growth, so I believe he'll produce some size too, abit lower than average calving and good milk.

I don't see many around us. And the those I do have less bone also. They have moderated the whole animal.
 

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Muddy":1rq9dd47 said:
Most Charolais I encountered are usually bigger and big boned ones.

Muddy they used to be around here. My BIL fed cattle for many years. Him and other feeders have told me in the last ten years the Char cattle have lost some of the qualities that feeders liked and what made them desired to feed. They say the average Char around here don't feed as well as they did in the past. I know the breeder that is a neighbor's old bulls weighed 2,400-2,800. The main Char breeder I know in our area I've been told says their bulls should mature 2,000-2,250. Quite a drop. Still nice cattle but not what they were in the past and I'm told not as much growth. I know for certain the number of commercial breeders using Char bulls has decreased in this area.
 

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When smoke colored calfs will sell with angus or do better I dont see the point for my area.
 

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elkwc":759s44s6 said:
Muddy":759s44s6 said:
Most Charolais I encountered are usually bigger and big boned ones.

Muddy they used to be around here. My BIL fed cattle for many years. Him and other feeders have told me in the last ten years the Char cattle have lost some of the qualities that feeders liked and what made them desired to feed. They say the average Char around here don't feed as well as they did in the past. I know the breeder that is a neighbor's old bulls weighed 2,400-2,800. The main Char breeder I know in our area I've been told says their bulls should mature 2,000-2,250. Quite a drop. Still nice cattle but not what they were in the past and I'm told not as much growth. I know for certain the number of commercial breeders using Char bulls has decreased in this area.
I know what you meant by that. Just like Black Angus, I've seen more hatchet azzed Charolais bulls being sold to commercial ranches than any quality Charolais. Big boned but not much meat on them.
 

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My Dad started with Charolais back in the late 60's early 70'. I remember two tractor-trailer loads being delivered to our farm and for many years thereafter. the breeding business was booming (both AI and Natural). Although the cows had calfs with great gains, they were wild as heck (that is why I own a dart gun :lol2: ).

At that time Angus were short, dumpy, and fat. Times change and so do breeding strategies. Angus improved their genetics and started a huge marketing campaign.

I still have the progeny of some of those original Charolais cows. But they are strictly commercial because most of them now are crossbred, but they are still big cows.
 

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