Ashton V
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jscunn, thanks for all the info. I know an older farmer that swears by the setup you mentioned. He uses all black baldy cows and breeds them to either a balancer or limo bull.
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JHH
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I guess I was bashing a little. I never said there wasnt good ones. I just prefer the red white face so lets leave it at that.
Ashton - Where are you planning on selling them. BWF are good, but I routinely get more for the solid black hide than I do for the baldies. I sell in either Apache or OKC. I wouldnt turn down a good Baldie cow for anything though and there is definitely something to be said for the increased heterosis.
My personal opinion to your question is I would buy either BWF or Hereford cows, preference being on BWF and put a quality Angus bull on them. Dont let missinformation about Angus bulls on here scare you away. I have six, they are all docile as lambs with no bad attitude whatsoever and they only get worked about three times a year.
You are correct about staying away from noticable ear here. You will get docked at the sale.
My personal opinion to your question is I would buy either BWF or Hereford cows, preference being on BWF and put a quality Angus bull on them. Dont let missinformation about Angus bulls on here scare you away. I have six, they are all docile as lambs with no bad attitude whatsoever and they only get worked about three times a year.
You are correct about staying away from noticable ear here. You will get docked at the sale.
That is strange. A neighbor raises Gert and Commercail cows bred to Gert bulls. He hauls the calves to OK to sell and nets more dollars then if he sells them around here or even in Joplin He gets enough more per load down there that it far outweighs the hauling costs.3MR":1xf7eo1k said:
Ashton V
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3MR":3qi23u2c said:
Where im located probably OKC stockyards or if i only have a few head i may just sell them local.
Ashton V
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dun":yaypv9wm said:
That is strange. Do you know where in oklahoma he sells them at? If you try to sell a calf that has a big ear on it here you dont get much. But i know if you took that same calf and headed south down to texas you would get your money out of it.
Hey Dun - I dont know if that says more about the higher prices in Oklahoma or about the lower prices in Joplin. I wonder how much more money your friend might have gotten in Oklahoma if there was less noticable ear. Where was he selling them?
Ashton - I would still sell them in OKC even if you had just a few. Either that or through private treaty / sale. Im not sure what your closest sale barn is but I definitely wouldnt take them to Jones.
Ashton - I would still sell them in OKC even if you had just a few. Either that or through private treaty / sale. Im not sure what your closest sale barn is but I definitely wouldnt take them to Jones.
Jeanne - Simme Valley
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Jscunn gave you good advice.
BWF are GREAT cows. Turn in an Angus or black Simmental or a SimAngus black bull. You will love the calves & the $$ after weaning.
BWF are GREAT cows. Turn in an Angus or black Simmental or a SimAngus black bull. You will love the calves & the $$ after weaning.
jscunn's advice is on the mark. But everything is about the averages. Really, there's probably more variation within each breed than between them. I'd say just go with what's cheaper/easier/aesthetic pleasing to your sensibilities.
And to set the record straight on brahman influenced cattle in the south-- replacement F1 heifers (and brangus) receive a premium, but the brahman influenced calves on their way to feedlots will still be docked. However, in the hot/humid climate it's still economical b/c you get more lbs of calf weaned/exposed female than you would with pure European. Better cow fertility, cow longevity, calf survival, calf weaning weight, less healthcare costs, etc.
And to set the record straight on brahman influenced cattle in the south-- replacement F1 heifers (and brangus) receive a premium, but the brahman influenced calves on their way to feedlots will still be docked. However, in the hot/humid climate it's still economical b/c you get more lbs of calf weaned/exposed female than you would with pure European. Better cow fertility, cow longevity, calf survival, calf weaning weight, less healthcare costs, etc.
Ashton V
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jack1234":jxtqjxui said:
That is true. If you have a brangus calf that looks pure angus and doesn't have any ear on it you really come away nicely because of all the extra weight. But some brangus calves have a lot of ear and some don't.
ALACOWMAN
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see thats where the problem is, you being in OK. theres really no reason to have ""much"" brahman influence.. unless it a personal preferance and if so then a person should not be offended by a dock... if my market wants angus, by cracky their gonna get angus :cowboy:Ashton V":3n7sprrf said:
How about throw the angus out.
Go with a set of herford cows and a homo black gelbvieh bull
or a set of black gelbvieh cows and a hereford bull.
Either way your gonna get the black baldies you want, you wont have attitude problems with the gelbvieh and I can promise you more growth with either scenario vs the angus cross, not to mention the replacements heifers would be as good as you can ask for.
Go with a set of herford cows and a homo black gelbvieh bull
or a set of black gelbvieh cows and a hereford bull.
Either way your gonna get the black baldies you want, you wont have attitude problems with the gelbvieh and I can promise you more growth with either scenario vs the angus cross, not to mention the replacements heifers would be as good as you can ask for.
TexasBred
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Or use holstein cows and you'll still get a black baldy...and a lot of milk. :lol2:
