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[Roy E. Mosley Jr.]

HAs anybody tried black baldie bulls on black baldie cows? It seems that would be the logical thing ta do. Both have the traits u were breeding for with Herf+Ang. right?

 

[dun]

The offspring would be F2 and loose some heterosis. Probably not much different then breeding the baldy back to the sire breed.

dun

HAs anybody tried black baldie bulls on black baldie cows? It seems that would be the logical thing ta do. Both have the traits u were breeding for with Herf+Ang. right?

 

[ollie]

Dun,
dont forget that you get heterosis from an f1 cow. I would say that the cumulative advantage of heterosis is greater in this instance than in an f1 cross. I'm not advocating the cross.

 

[la4angus]

I would think seriously about AI'ng to a top Red Angus. Most are generations away from the Black or Hereford genetics. A Complete outcross!!! Still retain the Angus X Hereford quality. There are other carcass programs besides CAB.

I know of one poster on this board that has a Helluva Good Red Angus Bull,
that semen is available from.

 

[dun]

In theory you are decreasing the heterosis of each breed by recombining them. It gives you possibilities of more homozygous gene pairs. A F1 again in theory, has all heterozygous pairs.

dun

Dun,
dont forget that you get heterosis from an f1 cow. I would say that the cumulative advantage of heterosis is greater in this instance than in an f1 cross. I'm not advocating the cross.

 

[ollie]

http://www.flyinghgenetics.com/fff/hete ... ntange.htm
My point isn't only about heterosis but total value gained inside the cross using a f1 cow and f1 bull. More could be gained from a different breed bull, however there is more value to be gained than with a sire of dam cross

 

[Roy E. Mosley Jr.]

I didnt mean bull and cow from the same herd. So no one uses black baldie bulls in there herd?

 

[dun]

Maximum heterosis is expressed by the crossbred cow raising the calf. Individual heterosis is much less. If you have crossbred cows and bred them back to a baldy bull, if the cows don't have any Hereford or Angus i them you would get individual heterosis plus the maternal heterosis. Using a baldy bull on a baldy cow dectucts from the individual heterosis but the maternal is still expressed

dun

I didnt mean bull and cow from the same herd. So no one uses black baldie bulls in there herd?

 

[Anonymous]

If you find Black Baldy bulls for sale, let me know.
Dun, there is a market for those good BWF calves you cut every spring.
I'll take one every two years till you run out of new blood.