Bill Cosby

[msscamp]

I cannot identify with a man who gets gratification from the rape of a woman and in this case women. I realize I am assuming he is guilty. Hard not to assume that under the circumstances.

I cannot understand how their libido functions. I have had this discussion with other men and I think most men would agree that libido is a delicate mental state. To be blunt, how does someone assume the proper state of erection to obtain penetration under the circumstances of rape? Would not the lidibo be extinguished by competing feelings of guilt and perversion.

It would seem even more impossible in cases of violent rape which apparently these were not. But the guy has to be sick to have conducted this behavior with 22 women?

I guess he can ask his God to forgive him!!!

You're falling into the trap of assuming rape is about sex, and it isn't. Rape is about rage, humiliation, hatred, and control - not sex!

As for why the allegations weren't brought up earlier - they were. The statute of limitations has long since expired on the vast majority of these cases. They have resurfaced due to Bill Cosby making a comeback, an appearance with another comedian(female), and his comic routine regarding drugging and having sex with younger women. The District Attorney that handled the original allegations declined to charge Cosby because he did not feel that there was enough evidence to win the case, but he believed(according to an article I read today) that the allegations were true.

 

[inyati13]

I agree that this stinks. And the use of "date rape" drugs should be a hangin' crime. But. Why have they waited so long to come forward. And what is the possibility that a settlement from a wealthy man who wants you to go away figures in to this.

I figure they slipped Ol' Bill the "date rape" drug......Viagra and booze....(joke). Let a jury decide it IF it goes to trial. Until then.....he's innocent.

I bet you think OJ Simpson is innocent of those two murders he committed.

Institutions rarely meet the expectations we hold for them in our youth. Whether it the institution of higher education, law enforcement, justice, religion, government, family, etc.

When I was under 10 years old, I thought my parents were infallible. I did not judge their actions, they were assumed to be without flaw. As we get older, we become less idealistic and naïve. I can reassess without the rose colored glasses now and I see my parents as humans wrought with flaws.

The point is this: The institution of Justice is not as sacred and perfect as we hold it to be in our youth. In the course of my career, I saw the justice system fail many times. Although I respect the institution, at the same time, it is a three ring circus and we are all clowns.

My point is this: Acts of this nature are repeated time and time again. Many never enter the institution of justice and many that do enter the institution of justice become a gross miscarriage of justice, in example, OJ Simpson.

If I had a daughter and a man did this to her, one of my priorities in life before I reside on the wrong side of the grass would be getting my "Kentucky Justice". "Hazard Style", "Harlan Style", "Cleon Begley style".

My wild Uncle Bill told me, "Don't ever turn it down if it is offered, but I will shoot you myself if you take it when it is not offered."

 

[tom4018]

I will wait to see how this plays out.
I am always amazed when someone comes out after 30 years with accusations.
Why didn't they say something 29 years and 364 days ago.
If he is guilty so be it but the system is screwed up right now. When a woman makes
an accusation the man is guilty until proven innocent.
Would surprise the heII out of you how many women today will use an accusation to bring their ship in.
Seen it used a lot of times in the corporate world as a weapon.

I totally agree. No one really knows what happened but the parties involved. Like Dun said it may be buyer's remorse and they may just be looking for a payday.

 

[greybeard]

Another makes a rather graphic allegation:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... -1.2018698

 

[3waycross]

I agree that this stinks. And the use of "date rape" drugs should be a hangin' crime. But. Why have they waited so long to come forward. And what is the possibility that a settlement from a wealthy man who wants you to go away figures in to this.

I figure they slipped Ol' Bill the "date rape" drug......Viagra and booze....(joke). Let a jury decide it IF it goes to trial. Until then.....he's innocent.

At the very least he has not been proven guilty. The whole thing stinks

 

[Caustic Burno]

Another makes a rather graphic allegation:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... -1.2018698

If you read her statement Cosby didn't make her feel special.
New development didn't know rape was supposed to.
This woman had a lot of options getting in the bed was a choice here.
I am not defending him either as he would probably screw a snake if he could.

 

[greybeard]

Bill C. had lots of options as well, and he seemingly exercised them at each opportunity. I don't think she accused him of rape--but unsolicited sexual assault. She's one of the few that didn't drink his koolaide.
It's for this reason I guess, that the DA in the other case said he was sure Cosby did it, but didn't think he could get a conviction, so he dropped the case. Cosby probably knew exactly which line to go right up to but not to cross. I'm sure he was only interested in evaluating her acting skills so he could give her a few pointers and help her up the ladder to success. Yep, I'm sure that was it...
She, at age 30 was kinda old for him in 1992 tho--he was 55 then. The others were mostly 17-19 yrs old.

 

[dun]

The one that made me wonder was the one that took the pill then woke up without her pajamas on. If she hadn;t planned on staying the night, why would she have her PJs with her? That's the only one I read the whole story on, didn;t pass my smell test!

 

[inyati13]

Bill C. had lots of options as well, and he seemingly exercised them at each opportunity. I don't think she accused him of rape--but unsolicited sexual assault. She's one of the few that didn't drink his koolaide.
It's for this reason I guess, that the DA in the other case said he was sure Cosby did it, but didn't think he could get a conviction, so he dropped the case. Cosby probably knew exactly which line to go right up to but not to cross. I'm sure he was only interested in evaluating her acting skills so he could give her a few pointers and help her up the ladder to success. Yep, I'm sure that was it...
She, at age 30 was kinda old for him in 1992 tho--he was 55 then. The others were mostly 17-19 yrs old.

GB. The nature of these accusations is processed in my brain in a similiar manner to your assessment above. When there is this much smoke, there is a fire somewhere.

The cliche' that people are innocent until proven guilty is often hollow, IMO. The administration of justice is not the same as delivering "Kentucky Justice". It does not santiize that which has offended our values and standards. Our institution of Justice is often not more than a stage for clever lawyer to perform on. Anyone who has sat on a jury and been exposed to some of the other juryors on the jury know exactly what I mean.

Most of my 40 years of employment was enforcement. I have performed as an inspector, enforcement specialist and toward the end, I was a project manager on one of the biggest superfund enforcement cases in the United States. My last five years was on an enforcement team at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal near Denver, Colorado. I have seen the inside of our justice system and it is remarkable to me that it works at all. It has less to do with who is innocent and more to do who is more clever. Bill Cosby IMO is a dangerous man who has violated women.

 

[dun]

One thing to remember is that with justice(?) system, not guilty doesn;t necessarily mean innocent.

 

[inyati13]

One thing to remember is that with justice(?) system, not guilty doesn;t necessarily mean innocent.

Justice is often a function of power, money, corruption, influence, and resources. I watched a Judge on a cessation order I issued early in my career arrive at the courthouse in the company of the accussed. You don't have to ask how that went down!

 

[highgrit]

If the laws for adultery we stiff like in some countries, justice would be served. Oh well he's shown the whole world his true color. And he has proven nothing he says or does can be trusted.

 

[AllForage]

Great......now I have to throw away my fat Albert dvd collection.

Can't bring myself to watch em anymore

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Great......now I have to throw away my fat Albert dvd collection.

Can't bring myself to watch em anymore

I'll take 'em!

 

[TexasBred]

Most of my 40 years of employment was enforcement. I have performed as an inspector, enforcement specialist and toward the end, I was a project manager on one of the biggest superfund enforcement cases in the United States. My last five years was on an enforcement team at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal near Denver, Colorado. I have seen the inside of our justice system and it is remarkable to me that it works at all. It has less to do with who is innocent and more to do who is more clever. Bill Cosby IMO is a dangerous man who has violated women.

Yet he has not yet been found "Guilty" by a jury of his peers . You're prejudging just like those bruthas in Ferguson, Mo. No different. They want "hood" justice. You want "Kentucky" justice. The system is far from perfect but better than vigilante justice. But I guess if you have no conscience you can do things like this and sleep like a baby afterward. I don't know if he did it or not.But it's not for me to prejudge him.

 

[Caustic Burno]

The one that made me wonder was the one that took the pill then woke up without her pajamas on. If she hadn;t planned on staying the night, why would she have her PJs with her? That's the only one I read the whole story on, didn;t pass my smell test!

A whole lot of this doesn't pass the smell test.
Lot of younger women have hung their skirt on a fat wallet.
He wouldn't be the first to take advantage either.

 

[greybeard]

The one that made me wonder was the one that took the pill then woke up without her pajamas on. If she hadn;t planned on staying the night, why would she have her PJs with her? That's the only one I read the whole story on, didn;t pass my smell test!

A whole lot of this doesn't pass the smell test.
Lot of younger women have hung their skirt on a fat wallet.
He wouldn't be the first to take advantage either.

Yep, and lots of older married men in the entertainment, political, and everyday employment arena have taken advantage of young girls and women just starting out. Maybe not a crime, but a breach of ethics and integrity, and that's what we're talking about here. 'right vs wrong'.
They have a choice of being a real mentor--or just being a lascivious asshole that deserves to get a man sized ass whuppin.
He may be a millionaire and the funniest guy on Earth but neither changes the fact that it sure looks like he was just a dirty old married bastard cheating on his wife at the expense of young vulnerable girls--even if they were of legal age in Nevada.

 

[CottageFarm]

Yeah, it's a real news flash that there are predatory men in positions of power willing to take advantage of an ambitious young (and sometimes not so young) woman. My Mom taught me that one at a pretty early age. I just figured everyone else's did too. :roll:

On the other hand, it angers me just as much that there are so many cowardly women out there who's apparent response to someone they deem such an evil monster, is silence.... For a couple of decades or more, silence (or even worse, paid silence!). They were apparently more concerned with their own aspirations than feeling they had some obligation to shout it from the rooftops in order to protect others.

I don't know what the whole truth is about these allegations. While I do believe there is some truth to at least some of them, I don't believe they were totally unwilling participants.
And I detest the perpetual victim mentality that these women project. They chose not to do something about it when it happened, and now jump on a bandwagon after decades have past!
They've shown no honor in all of this either.

 

[TexasBred]

One thing to remember is that with justice(?) system, not guilty doesn;t necessarily mean innocent.

Justice is often a function of power, money, corruption, influence, and resources. I watched a Judge on a cessation order I issued early in my career arrive at the courthouse in the company of the accussed. You don't have to ask how that went down!

That's nothing Inyati. The judge and lawyers for both sides usually are good friends and meet at the country club for drinks after court adjourns every day. :nod:

 

[TexasBred]

Yeah, it's a real news flash that there are predatory men in positions of power willing to take advantage of an ambitious young (and sometimes not so young) woman. My Mom taught me that one at a pretty early age. I just figured everyone else's did too. :roll:

On the other hand, it angers me just as much that there are so many cowardly women out there who's apparent response to someone they deem such an evil monster, is silence.... For a couple of decades or more, silence (or even worse, paid silence!). They were apparently more concerned with their own aspirations than feeling they had some obligation to shout it from the rooftops in order to protect others.

I don't know what the whole truth is about these allegations. While I do believe there is some truth to at least some of them, I don't believe they were totally unwilling participants.
And I detest the perpetual victim mentality that these women project. They chose not to do something about it when it happened, and now jump on a bandwagon after decades have past!
They've shown no honor in all of this either.

Paragraph one sounds a lot like one of our former U.S. Presidents. ;-) :nod: