Bill Cosby

[boondocks]

To all those asking why these women are just now bringing up these issues: it appears most of them were actually brought up many years ago but Cosby was in the prime seat in Hollywood (heyday of the Cosby Show, etc) and was too powerful for the stories to get any media traction. Also, keep in mind that in the 1980s (and he77, even in some backward places and brains today), it was not considered "rape" if you knew the guy, or were on a date when it happened. I have personally known three people who were raped. All three were in college at the time. One (a relative) was assaulted and raped while sound asleep in her dorm room one night. Another was kidnapped and taken into woods off campus. She was able to lead the police back there the next day, and they found him there raping another woman. (She looked me in the eye once and said, with deadly calm: "I will not go through that again. The next time, he will die or I will die, but I will not go through that again" ). The third woman was my brother's then-girlfriend. In only 1 of the three cases was justice served. Very often the women attacked are too traumatized to do anything right away. They are literally in shock. In the 3 cases above, they were late teens or maybe 20 at most. PTSD is very common as a result.

 

[regolith]

I cannot identify with a man who gets gratification from the rape of a woman and in this case women. I realize I am assuming he is guilty. Hard not to assume that under the circumstances.

I cannot understand how their libido functions. I have had this discussion with other men and I think most men would agree that libido is a delicate mental state. To be blunt, how does someone assume the proper state of erection to obtain penetration under the circumstances of rape? Would not the lidibo be extinguished by competing feelings of guilt and perversion.

It would seem even more impossible in cases of violent rape which apparently these were not. But the guy has to be sick to have conducted this behavior with 22 women?

I guess he can ask his God to forgive him!!!

Well there you go, and up till now I thought that sort of behaviour was quite normal.
I suppose there really are a few decent people around.

 

[inyati13]

One thing to remember is that with justice(?) system, not guilty doesn;t necessarily mean innocent.

Justice is often a function of power, money, corruption, influence, and resources. I watched a Judge on a cessation order I issued early in my career arrive at the courthouse in the company of the accussed. You don't have to ask how that went down!

That's nothing Inyati. The judge and lawyers for both sides usually are good friends and meet at the country club for drinks after court adjourns every day. :nod:

I can atest to that.

As the prime witness on enforcement actions for which I was responsible, we often went to lunch with the opposing counsel and witnesses. Especially, if the issue being litigated was of a technical nature and not criminal.

In 1974-75, I served the Kentucky Division of Mine Reclamation in the role of Director of the Regional Spoil and Water Laboratory in Hazard, KY. Not a prestigious role, I directed a total of two people; myself and a young lady whom I went to college with. I helped her get the job. She spent more time sitting in the front office with the two secretaries than she did working up samples. My first court case was on an application for a coal mining permit in the Red River Gorge watershed by White Oak Coal Company owned by the Fredericks of Morgan County, KY. The company was run by "Big" Titus Frederick. He earned that name. His niece was a student I had when I was teaching Invertebrate Zoology classes at Morehead State University. She and I were very good friends. Her brother was an attorney, Barrett Federick. I did a water survey with the help of an assistant from the Kentucky Division of Water Quality. I wrote a Technical Directive to the permitting division that the permit should be denied. Titus took it to court. I was our primary witness for the permit denial. Barrett was the opposing attorney. I have no memory of our state attorney. When the Judge made his ruling, he ruled that the denial should stand. Barrett walked over to me and ask if I could meet with him for a post trial debriefing. I said yes. It was extremely friendly dicussion and we there was not the least hint of bad feelings. He congratulated me on how I handled our defense of the denial. I replied that I made it up as I went which was as candid as I knew how to be.

 

[highgrit]

Inyati, assaulting a federal witness is not going to help your wallet. Cost me 30k and 5 years probation. Still haunts me to this day, cost me a position on the Sheriffs auxiliary last year.

 

[James T]

The one that made me wonder was the one that took the pill then woke up without her pajamas on. If she hadn;t planned on staying the night, why would she have her PJs with her? That's the only one I read the whole story on, didn;t pass my smell test!

I was thinking the same thing Caustic. Like TB said, let the legal system sort it out. Whether he did or didn't, I still like many of his views on things.

A whole lot of this doesn't pass the smell test.
Lot of younger women have hung their skirt on a fat wallet.
He wouldn't be the first to take advantage either.

 

[Jogeephus]

Sounds like everyone is coming out of the woodwork looking to get a check from Bill so I might as well lay claim that he molested me too.

 

[herofan]

The cliche' that people are innocent until proven guilty is often hollow, IMO. The administration of justice is not the same as delivering "Kentucky Justice". It does not santiize that which has offended our values and standards. Our institution of Justice is often not more than a stage for clever lawyer to perform on. Anyone who has sat on a jury and been exposed to some of the other juryors on the jury know exactly what I mean.

Most of my 40 years of employment was enforcement. I have performed as an inspector, enforcement specialist and toward the end, I was a project manager on one of the biggest superfund enforcement cases in the United States. My last five years was on an enforcement team at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal near Denver, Colorado. I have seen the inside of our justice system and it is remarkable to me that it works at all. It has less to do with who is innocent and more to do who is more clever. Bill Cosby IMO is a dangerous man who has violated women.

It is sad that guilt and innocence in the courts in our country is such a game. We had a prominent lawyer speak at our school once. He was a defense attorney, and he commented that he didn't care if someone was guilty, it was his job to defend them and look for ways to create doubt in the jury. I guess i already knew that, but it just sent a chill up my spine to actually hear it said by a defense lawyer. That's why i couldn't be a lawyer; too much of a game.

 

[inyati13]

The cliche' that people are innocent until proven guilty is often hollow, IMO. The administration of justice is not the same as delivering "Kentucky Justice". It does not santiize that which has offended our values and standards. Our institution of Justice is often not more than a stage for clever lawyer to perform on. Anyone who has sat on a jury and been exposed to some of the other juryors on the jury know exactly what I mean.

Most of my 40 years of employment was enforcement. I have performed as an inspector, enforcement specialist and toward the end, I was a project manager on one of the biggest superfund enforcement cases in the United States. My last five years was on an enforcement team at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal near Denver, Colorado. I have seen the inside of our justice system and it is remarkable to me that it works at all. It has less to do with who is innocent and more to do who is more clever. Bill Cosby IMO is a dangerous man who has violated women.

It is sad that guilt and innocence in the courts in our country is such a game. We had a prominent lawyer speak at our school once. He was a defense attorney, and he commented that he didn't care if someone was guilty, it was his job to defend them and look for ways to create doubt in the jury. I guess i already knew that, but it just sent a chill up my spine to actually hear it said by a defense lawyer. That's why i couldn't be a lawyer; too much of a game.

Yep. I can live with that. What really stinks is when the judge or members of the jury are biased. I have seen cases where the judge was clearly in the pocket of the defense. Or they have personal political, moral or philosophical biases that render them ineffective in being objective.

I have watched Administrative Judges go into tirades in which they exposed biases that portrayed that their decision was going to be tainted. No matter how sacred we hold our judical system to be, the judgement is finally in the hands of human beings. That is why jury selection is critical. One side wants to get all the screwballs off the jury (usually the prosecutor) and the other side wants the jury loaded with screwballs.

I was on a jury in Denver where a man was being tried for stalking his ex-wife. He had threatened her with a gun and had beaten her. It was a simple decision and I thought it would take about 5 minutes to decide. Turns out a male on the jury had just gone through a difficult divorce and concluded that it was the ex-wife's fault. We did not get a conviction as he refused to vote guilty.

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

I guess he truly was a "peer" to the defendant wasn't he?

 

[slick4591]

Cosby paid women off?

 

[TexasBred]

It is sad that guilt and innocence in the courts in our country is such a game. We had a prominent lawyer speak at our school once. He was a defense attorney, and he commented that he didn't care if someone was guilty, it was his job to defend them and look for ways to create doubt in the jury. I guess i already knew that, but it just sent a chill up my spine to actually hear it said by a defense lawyer. That's why i couldn't be a lawyer; too much of a game.

Oh it's not a game...he's as serious as a heart attack about getting the person off.....his next case and his future depends on it. It's not his fault that 12 mature adults are influenced by his tactics. If he doesn't do it right and the guy is convicted he might have an appeal due to the incompetence of his attorney.

 

[gimpyrancher]

CottageFarm,

> On the other hand, it angers me just as much that there are so many cowardly women out there who's apparent response to someone they deem such an evil monster, is silence....

Do you suppose there might be a reason? Look at those women in the military that report sexual assaults? The "men" in power do nothing and blame the women. I wonder why so many abused woman fail to report. Then they end up reporting the assaults when there are enough woman reporting the same assaults by the same men to give them some support and protection from the unbelievers that would prefer to blame the victims.

> While I do believe there is some truth to at least some of them, I don't believe they were totally unwilling participants.

Again, why would they expect belief? When you stand in judgement and decide who to believe and who not to believe. Especially when all the claims are so similar. You'd prefer to view the video yourself?

> And I detest the perpetual victim mentality that these women project. They chose not to do something about it when it happened, and now jump on a bandwagon after decades have past!

Or one could say the jumped on the wagon when there were enough numbers to give them protection from people so dismissive.

> They've shown no honor in all of this either.

Nor have the men who traditionally they'd have to have reported the assaults to in the first place. If it isn't on video, it's easy to say it never happened.

 

[gimpyrancher]

Sounds like everyone is coming out of the woodwork looking to get a check from Bill so I might as well lay claim that he molested me too.

Interesting position.

It is often the case in cases of sexual predators that many woman come out of the woodwork after the charges are finally filed in court because only then do they start feeling a since of protection because it's not just that one woman sitting on the witness stand. Your comment is exactly why so many just suffer alone without a voice.

Just because it is a rich man doesn't automatically mean they are in it for money. Often, justice is worth far more than money.

 

[gimpyrancher]

What really stinks is when the judge or members of the jury are biased. I have seen cases where the judge was clearly in the pocket of the defense. Or they have personal political, moral or philosophical biases that render them ineffective in being objective.

Are you correctly referring to the present sitting Supreme Court?

 

[inyati13]

What really stinks is when the judge or members of the jury are biased. I have seen cases where the judge was clearly in the pocket of the defense. Or they have personal political, moral or philosophical biases that render them ineffective in being objective.

Are you correctly referring to the present sitting Supreme Court?

My comment is directed at lower judges and jurors. Most of my cases were before Federal Administrative Law Judges. But the comment can be applied more broadly. The commom complaint voiced by many conservative think tanks is that many federally appointed judges use their position to "legislate from the bench". I believe that is a problem.

 

[Shantilly]

My kids and I talked about this and i told them that as far as the "victims" go I have no problem believing them and what they say except Janice Dickinson. She was the one in pajamas and just got out of rehab but willingly drank wine and took a pill? Guess rehab didn't work. As I former user of both drugs and alcohol I know that by using them separately or together I will be willing to do pretty much anything and not remember a lot, if anything at all. So my personal opinion of her is that she is just "jumping on the publicity wagon". The other women that have come forward I can't really judge either way but after hearing about Stephen Collins from 7th Heaven and what he did..Nothing shocks me anymore about the men in Hollywood. As far as B.C. staying quiet I don't blame him and I'm positive that was what his attorney told him to do. AS the old saying goes "It will all come out in the wash" ..

 

[herofan]

What is the most recent year that an accuser claimed that he raped her? No big deal, but someone was talking to me about this recently and asked if this was something he had done until lately. I thought all the accusers were from many years ago, but i wasn't sure what the most recent was. Does anyone know?

 

[inyati13]

Smoke is getting thick.

 

[alisonb]

"Decide that you want it more than you are afraid of it." - Bill Cosby

"There are two sides to every story, and sometimes three, four, and five." - Bill Cosby

"When I was a boy if a girl got pregnant the shame was placed on her and the boy could get away." Bill Cosby

 

[greybeard]

The latest is a woman who says she was sexually assaulted by Cosby when she was 15.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/20/showb ... ?hpt=hp_t1

udy Huth has filled a lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court, claiming sexual battery and infliction of emotional distress during an incident at the Playboy Mansion, according to the documents posted by Radar Online.
The alleged sexual assault took place in 1974 when Huth was 15 years old.
According to court documents, Huth and a 16-year-old friend meet Cosby when he was filming a movie at Lacy Park in Los Angeles.
After talking with the girls, the suit alleges, Cosby invited them to come to his tennis club the following Saturday "where he served them alcoholic beverages and played games of billiards."
They then went to the Playboy Mansion where, the lawsuit says, Cosby asked Huth to sit on a bed beside him, after she came out of a bathroom.
"He then proceeded to sexually molest her by attempting to put his hand down her pants, and then taking her hand in his hand and performing a sex act on himself without her consent."

LAPD says they are now willing/ready to investigate the allegations even tho statute of limitations is up.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... inst-bill/