Wewild - Is the top one a 4230? I'm not a JD man but I drove a 4230 with an 8 speed (?) powershift one time that tickled my fancy. The loader on the bottom tractor could pass for an old Dunham Lehr with a modified bucket cylinder.
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I spent the last couple of days moving have on and 85 and 95hp Farm Trach and those are some nice tractors. I moved several hundred bales and I do not have one complaint. I am interested in one for myself now.
AngusLimoX
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somn":2etn0vdu said:
Somn, there is something almost sinful about that ! :lol:
I would be afraid of blindly pounding my implements apart if I couldn't feel what was going on back there. Would make it easier to take a slug of bee oops I mean coffee though.
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seth
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I have a JD 2550 (no cab) that I purchased new in the early 80's. It has almost 12,000 hours and the engine has never been touched. It has a JD self leveling loader (245 I think) and has been started alomost every day. The down sides to it are the loader - it isn't anywhere near strong enough for the tractor and the hydraulics. The hydraulics have never worked properly. It always acts like it is starved for oil. The loader raises with a lot of vibration and it is often necessary to open up the throttle to get the loader up. Even when still under warranty the dealer couldn't solve the problem after several tries so I have lived with it.
I recently purchased an MX 120 CaseIH with a L655 loader and I love it. The hydraulics are great, the loader works very well and the tractor is convenient to use. It is essentially the same tractor as the new McCormicks.
I recently purchased an MX 120 CaseIH with a L655 loader and I love it. The hydraulics are great, the loader works very well and the tractor is convenient to use. It is essentially the same tractor as the new McCormicks.
hurleyjd
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seth":2cfbr06b said:
On the John Deere you will have closed center hyd valve for the loader. Make sure that is what you have. Some one may have installed an open center valve. This will make the Hyd work as you describe. I think I am right on this, it may be the other way around. Open versus closed. Any way it is in the loader valve. You might just buy a new valve and the problem will proable go away.
seth":25k9yacc said:
Does your loader hydraulics dump back in the remote valve block or does it dump in the filter housing?
A friend of mine has a JD (older model) and had the vibration like you wrote about. His loader was plumbed to dump in the remote block on the back of the tractor. I helped him find a hydraulic filter bowl that has a port that you can use as a return. He got it all hooked up last week and it's working like a charm now. First thing he said was "after all these years". After changing over to the new bowl he turned the pump pressure up a little and the loader works great now.
flaboy?
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Brute 23":161v0ury said:
Most new tractors operate nicely and feel good even the india units. Yes, the Farmtrac is built by Escort Group of India. These are NOT the Ford tractors of old folks.
dun":1huvbfoj said:
I am not saying to go out and plant 2K acres of corn with it but I think they are a great tractor for the averae rancher who mainly moves hay, shredds, little disking and renovating here and there, builing fence, ect...
It has a very comfortable feel, even for a big guy like me.
The loader is very responsive and quick.
I really have no complaints.
They are pretty cheap and I think they definatley have their place.
dun":1bhtnjtm said:
Up to the 75 HP are Farmtrac and I think one model is made in Polland. The 72 Hp down are made in India. The 85HP and up are SAME. They have deutz-fahr water cooled engines. SAME DEUTZ-FAHR head offices are in Treviglio in the province of Bergamo (Italy). These are total different tractors than the Farmtrac but do have the new style Farmtrac sheet metal. The largest one my dealer has is 110 HP with cab/4wd. Touch control screen for most in cab operations for hydraulics. It also has a fuel economizer feature. They look to be rugged tractors but haven't talked to anyone that's used one.
The SAME being larger are also higher priced. Can't remember exact but think I was quoted about $38,000 on that 110 hp model.
I have a 2004 Farmtrac 80. It has a Perkins engine. Carraro rear end and transmission. Not much left for Ford parts on it but the hood, fenders and air filter. The next size down has the Ford style engine and the rest is Carraro. Then from that size down in utility is the old Ford design mainly. Compacts are in their own class. Don't know anything about the compacts.
flaboy?
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Seems like I did some research on this last year. I sent Perkins an email (which I can't find now) asking about the Perkins motors in the Farmtrac's. The response was something like "we have a manufacturing plant that does some builds for Escort (Farmtrac) but that's about it. We do not supply engines for Farmtrac". Their words not mine.
I see they don't say who is making the 75+ HP motors. Seems to me as good as Perkins reputation is, they would sure advertise that fact.
I also noticed the less 75HP motors are listed as Mitsubishi but Escort India claims to make the engines for the Farmtrac product line. Wonder if they really know who makes them? :roll:
I see they don't say who is making the 75+ HP motors. Seems to me as good as Perkins reputation is, they would sure advertise that fact.
I also noticed the less 75HP motors are listed as Mitsubishi but Escort India claims to make the engines for the Farmtrac product line. Wonder if they really know who makes them? :roll:
flaboy?":1ct8t3t4 said:
With this global economy there's no telling who makes what anymore. The FT 80 has Perkins on the valve cover,the block and I buy Perkins oil & fuel filters for it. That's what the dealer stocks for it. I guess it could be a Perkins knockoff like those China made Honda engines. But it cranks good in the winter and sounds like a Perkins. :lol: Little over 800 hours now and it hasn't locked up or thrown a rod. :lol: Yet
OklaBrangusBreeder
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(I also have a Farmtrac 80 and my family have been Long product owners for more then 20 years).
Farmtrac used to be Long until Escort of India bought controlling interest in Long a few years back. At that point, they rebranded everything as Farmtrac going forward.
Farmtrac has several lines of tractors. Briefly:
- The "Compact" series of smaller compact tractors (27-39HP)are made in Korea. They are identical to the "Montana" brand tractors and are also I believe identical to the cab tractors offered by Mahindra.
- The "5 series" and "6 series" Farmtrac models (35-72HP) are the ones made by Escort in India. The are the ones who have the old "Ford" look. Escort produced the old Ford 3000 and later models in India. These Farmtracs are very much the "old Fords" from about the time Ford became New Holland.
- The "7 Series" tractors (75-114HP) are Eurpoean SAME tractors produced under a North American license agreement for Farmtrac.
- The new "8 Series" appears to me to be the "6 Series" with a new hood and Cab. But I'm not sure about that.
- Some of the old original Long tractors were made in an Eastern European country, Romania I believe. Those tractors are no longer sold under the Farmtrac brand. I did notice that Montana appears to offer those older "Universal" models painted green now.
I've never said that a Farmtrac is a good choice compared to a John Deere or similar brands. But compared to some of the "off" brands that was mentioned in the original post of this thread, I do think Farmtrac is a comparable product that provides great value for the price.
Farmtrac used to be Long until Escort of India bought controlling interest in Long a few years back. At that point, they rebranded everything as Farmtrac going forward.
Farmtrac has several lines of tractors. Briefly:
- The "Compact" series of smaller compact tractors (27-39HP)are made in Korea. They are identical to the "Montana" brand tractors and are also I believe identical to the cab tractors offered by Mahindra.
- The "5 series" and "6 series" Farmtrac models (35-72HP) are the ones made by Escort in India. The are the ones who have the old "Ford" look. Escort produced the old Ford 3000 and later models in India. These Farmtracs are very much the "old Fords" from about the time Ford became New Holland.
- The "7 Series" tractors (75-114HP) are Eurpoean SAME tractors produced under a North American license agreement for Farmtrac.
- The new "8 Series" appears to me to be the "6 Series" with a new hood and Cab. But I'm not sure about that.
- Some of the old original Long tractors were made in an Eastern European country, Romania I believe. Those tractors are no longer sold under the Farmtrac brand. I did notice that Montana appears to offer those older "Universal" models painted green now.
I've never said that a Farmtrac is a good choice compared to a John Deere or similar brands. But compared to some of the "off" brands that was mentioned in the original post of this thread, I do think Farmtrac is a comparable product that provides great value for the price.
A dealer friend let me borrow them to break them in. ;-) He sells Mahindra, Farmtrac, and Deutz-fahr.
I also like the 4 wheel brakes. I was loading some hay on a hill and the azz end would get kind of light on me some times but I didn't have to worry about it sliding because of the front brakes.
I also like the 4 wheel brakes. I was loading some hay on a hill and the azz end would get kind of light on me some times but I didn't have to worry about it sliding because of the front brakes.
OklaBrangusBreeder":1qifcw9m said:
I bought a 2610 in 97 and it's been one of the best tractors here. I've had one remote lever spring to break. (less than $5) Put an O-ring and copper washer in the control valve and 1 alternator. Been pulling a Hedlund-Martin spreader with it for 3 years now and it takes it well. That spreader keeps the exhaust pipe smooth and clean. :lol: No diesel slobber when spreading. Very good tractor for the $$$$$. It'll outlast me.
OklaBrangusBreeder
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- My Dad bought a Long 445 back in about 1975. It did us well before we traded to a bigger case in 1985.
- My Uncle had a Long 460 for about 20 years until just recently. He used it to cut/rake/bale hay for all those years. He had a JD 410 round baler he pulled.
- My sister has a Long 2360. She uses it mainly as a brush hog tractor on her acreage.
- I have the Farmtrac 80 that I use in the hay field as well as brush hog type stuff and planting fall wheat pasture. I've got about 275 hours on it now and it has been a joy to have.
Long/Farmtrac has always been a good dependable machine for the money. For the part-time farmer I think it is an excellent choice.
- My Uncle had a Long 460 for about 20 years until just recently. He used it to cut/rake/bale hay for all those years. He had a JD 410 round baler he pulled.
- My sister has a Long 2360. She uses it mainly as a brush hog tractor on her acreage.
- I have the Farmtrac 80 that I use in the hay field as well as brush hog type stuff and planting fall wheat pasture. I've got about 275 hours on it now and it has been a joy to have.
Long/Farmtrac has always been a good dependable machine for the money. For the part-time farmer I think it is an excellent choice.
seth
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