it did come on strong in May like you said it would. i let it seed out and a lot of the seed sprouted right away so i dont how much i'll have this fall. the cows have access to that field right now. the second bag i planted didnt do as well, not sure if it was planting and germination time that was bad or difference in pH of that half of the field or what. i want to plant some more this fall, but it didnt provide the winter forage that i was (wrongly) expecting it to, so i'll probably mix with rye or something this go around.