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What does everyone think of the Beefmaster breed? Pro's, Con's.
Which part of the cross do you think might be responsible for that?greenwillowherefords":zq2rs3oo said:I've heard nothing bad in years except some 140 pound birthweight problems, but that may have been an isolated case.
dguess7":1cx7lg2q said:What does everyone think of the Beefmaster breed? Pro's, Con's.
Based on previous conversations with you, Texan, I don't know if you are being friendly or insinuating that it is the Hereford influence. Notice I tried to keep Herefords out of this discussion to spare you the aggravation. Since you ask, I don't think it is the Hereford influence, because the latest cross the breeds EPDs in the Genex catalog, the average Hereford EPD was only 3.3 heavier than that of Angus, and lower than any other breed listed. Based on the Genex table, I'd say it was the Brahman, as they are listed at 13.0 heavier than Angus. Good evening, and I hope this buries the hatchet that you've had raised over my writings!Texan":2a0pacyw said:Which part of the cross do you think might be responsible for that?greenwillowherefords":2a0pacyw said:I've heard nothing bad in years except some 140 pound birthweight problems, but that may have been an isolated case.
I wasn't doing either, Willow. I thought it was clear that I asked your opinion based on your extensive experience with crossbreeding programs, and Beefmasters, in particular, having "some 140 pound birthweight problems."greenwillowherefords":2ywqeuo6 said:Based on previous conversations with you, Texan, I don't know if you are being friendly or insinuating that it is the Hereford influence.
I'm trying very hard to learn something about exaggerated potential discrepancies (epd's) from you guys. Just when I thought I had it figured out, I read your post and get confused all over again! I thought they were intended to be used for comparisons within a breed? Now you're telling me that I can use them to compare breeds? And in a discussion concerning Beefmasters, I guess I don't understand your references to Angus. Would that be the new Black Beefmaster?greenwillowherefords":2ywqeuo6 said:.....I don't think it is the Hereford influence, because the latest cross the breeds EPDs in the Genex catalog, the average Hereford EPD was only 3.3 heavier than that of Angus, and lower than any other breed listed. Based on the Genex table, I'd say it was the Brahman, as they are listed at 13.0 heavier than Angus.
Good morning to you, as well! The "hatchet" you refer to must be because I have challenged you to prove some of your claims. Does that bother you?greenwillowherefords":2ywqeuo6 said:Good evening, and I hope this buries the hatchet that you've had raised over my writings!
That's a great link! Thanks, Dun. So you think that's why Willow refers to the Angus? Because its the baseline in the comparisons? And maybe he's got a table that shows the Brahmans? How accurate are these comparisons?dun":10zgobiv said:There are across breed EPDs for BW, YW, WW, and milk. Not all or for that matter, very many breeds are represented. But it's probably the most common ones used in crossbreeding programs excluding Brhman.
I suppose it would be good to touch on the original question.dguess7":2lkkd7z6 said:What does everyone think of the Beefmaster breed? Pro's, Con's.
dun":2zkb4vfo said:There are across breed EPDs for BW, YW, WW, and milk. Not all or for that matter, very many breeds are represented. But it's probably the most common ones used in crossbreeding programs excluding Brhman.
Just added the 2004 numbers
dun
http://www.ext.vt.edu/news/periodicals/livestock/aps-04_08/aps-358.html
Angus is the baseline in the Genex chart. The catalog was sent to me about 2 weeks ago, and is named "Genetic Management Guide." That is why I was referring to Angus. The birthweight problems I mentioned were in one herd, but I have not been involved with Beefmasters at all. I have raised purebred Herefords with the exception of a super-baldie cross in my teenage years. My grandfather and uncle raised a Hereford-based commercial herd next door to me in my growing-up years. The crosses in this were Brangus, Limi, and Angus. My cousin raises Beefmasters and loves them. I was in no way insinuating that there was a wide-spread problem of any sort. Genex website:http://www.crinet.com ....The hatchet was primarily jumping down my throat to keep quiet about Herefords after I had already censored myself. Frankie and I have gotten past our early disagreements, and I hope you and I can as well.Texan":3i10q0hs said:I wasn't doing either, Willow. I thought it was clear that I asked your opinion based on your extensive experience with crossbreeding programs, and Beefmasters, in particular, having "some 140 pound birthweight problems."greenwillowherefords":3i10q0hs said:Based on previous conversations with you, Texan, I don't know if you are being friendly or insinuating that it is the Hereford influence.
I'm trying very hard to learn something about exaggerated potential discrepancies (epd's) from you guys. Just when I thought I had it figured out, I read your post and get confused all over again! I thought they were intended to be used for comparisons within a breed? Now you're telling me that I can use them to compare breeds? And in a discussion concerning Beefmasters, I guess I don't understand your references to Angus. Would that be the new Black Beefmaster?greenwillowherefords":3i10q0hs said:.....I don't think it is the Hereford influence, because the latest cross the breeds EPDs in the Genex catalog, the average Hereford EPD was only 3.3 heavier than that of Angus, and lower than any other breed listed. Based on the Genex table, I'd say it was the Brahman, as they are listed at 13.0 heavier than Angus.
Good morning to you, as well! The "hatchet" you refer to must be because I have challenged you to prove some of your claims. Does that bother you?greenwillowherefords":3i10q0hs said:Good evening, and I hope this buries the hatchet that you've had raised over my writings!
Sounds like a deal to me! I'll look to Frankie for guidance...... ;-)greenwillowherefords":2k21wfu4 said:Frankie and I have gotten past our early disagreements, and I hope you and I can as well.