Are Guns America's Biggest Problem?

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Jonathan Byrd
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Are Guns America's Biggest Problem?

Posted: 08/31/2015 10:56 am EDT Updated: 08/31/2015 10:59 am EDT

I grew up with guns. Country guns. Shotguns. .45s and .38s and beer cans on fence posts. That was back before public gun violence became a daily routine. If somebody got shot, it was a drug deal or domestic violence. There were guns all around me, practically under my pillow, and nobody got hurt. No one I know ever threatened another person with a gun. The few violent men I knew fought with their fists. Pulling a gun to settle a score wouldn't be worth the shame. Guns were for targets and critters. It seems like some kind of mythical world now.

From my experience traveling in northern Europe consistently the past few years, I offer a theory that is beginning to take shape in my mind. I'm in the UK now; their gun laws are famously rigid. The Olympic pistol team had to leave the country to practice. Intentional homicide rate is maybe a third to a quarter of the U.S., but I don't think the stringent gun laws are entirely responsible.

More interesting to this essay are other countries I've been to regularly: The Netherlands, Germany, Denmark and Switzerland. Canada is notably similar in that there are a lot of guns, but not much gun violence compared to the U.S. Almost every grown man in Switzerland has an assault rifle issued by the military. They have gun festivals with shooting competitions for the kids.

All these countries also take care of their citizens. You can go to school, see a doctor, or take a year off work and have a baby without worrying about losing your home or other financial catastrophes. Taxes are high, of course. Gotta pay for that stuff. Canada is closer on the scale to the U.S.: lower taxes and less social spending than most of northern Europe, but more than the U.S.

In the U.S. you are mostly on your own. If you have a strong family and/or community, you're set. If you don't you're screwed. Half of foster kids become homeless when they turn 18. Three million U.S. citizens are homeless. That's one percent of us, sleeping on the ground, going to jail to get a decent night's sleep and breakfast. College? You know how that goes. I have friends in their forties who are finally paying off their student loans. Need mental health care? That's not covered. The ACA is not a national health care plan. It's a way to force everyone to pay for the same miserable **** that was available before. Very few people are better off with it. I'm one of them and I can still see it's a bad deal for the country. If you lose your job in the U.S., it can be life-threatening. How would you react to a life-threatening situation?

When millions of people live close to the bone in a country that doesn't seem to care about them, and the most effective weapons in the world are widely available, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to paint the resulting picture. It's not much harder to own a gun in Germany than it is to own one here. We have laws that prohibit convicted felons, the mentally ill, and non-citizens from owning guns. There are loopholes, but that's also true elsewhere. For instance, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to own a gun in the Netherlands, but being a member of a shooting club is. If you want a gun for self defense, you join a shooting club. Duh.

The availability of guns seems to be a problem in our country, but not a problem in others. As always, extreme viewpoints are suspect- "Guns are the problem" is just as extreme as "I should be able to openly carry an assault rifle into a department store." We do have laws. Colorado, one of the most gun-lovin', property-rights-conservative states in the union, passed a great piece of legislation after the school shooting in Columbine, legislation that was successful largely because part of its focus was to protect the rights of gun owners.

I appreciate everyone's passion on the issue. Sharing links from far-left and far-right sources is not likely to generate a productive discussion. Real people don't think that way. Real conversations don't happen in platitudes and memes.

Americans have a constitutional right to bear arms. Elected officials have a directive to ensure public safety. Humans have a responsibility to take care of each other. We're not all keeping our end of the bargain. I think socialism and the second amendment ought to meet and work things out. Education, health care, and a living wage might make guns fun again.

I'm not a political guy, but it seems important to talk about this national crisis -- a spiritual crisis, really. Does this sound foolish to anyone? Does it feel like a new way of looking at it? Did anybody else have a time in their lives when guns were kind of innocent and fun?

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One of the problems started about 60 years ago when we started to develop into a Country where 50 percent of the population lives off the tax payers, and women were rewarded for having kids without fathers , these fatherless kids are raised with no loyalty or family structure, they think they are owed and entitled to free aid without working. If a person worked 40 to 60 hours a week like the working class does, you would not have time to demonstrate and riot all nite long, We are on a downward spiral that is going to be hard to pull out of. :2cents:
 
the minority ARE THE ANGRIEST AND MAKE THE MOST NOISE. THOSE OF US THAT HAVE GUNS OR ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE SITUATION ARE LIKELY TO JUST BE QUIET AND CARRY A BIG STICK MENTALITY. opps sorry I yelled
 
Some good points there I think. I believe freedom creates opportunities but at the same time I don't think it fair when you pay nearly half your income to the government yet the government can't offer a decent health program for you where you don't risk losing everything if something happens to you. In the UK, everyone is taxed at 6% of their income for their social programs. This amount covers government housing, food and healthcare. What I don't get is how we already pay for food and housing with our taxes yet most people would jump at the chance to pay 6% of their yearly income for health insurance in this country. It would be a bargain for many. I know it would be for me. As producers, doesn't it make sense to take care of the very thing that makes us money? Seems the government should do the same rather than offering themselves a better more affordable deal than they do us. Are we all not equal or are they more valuable than us - the taxpayer?

The other major thing I think plays a big part of our problem is the breakdown of the family. Our current system rewards brood mares spitting out young'uns. This is foolish and these children lack direction.
 
Jogeephus":3ix4wq3j said:
The other major thing I think plays a big part of our problem is the breakdown of the family. Our current system rewards brood mares spitting out young'uns. This is foolish and these children lack direction.
Guns are not a problem. With this statement Jo is headed down the right road.
 
Jogeephus":2hrfnqcn said:
Some good points there I think. I believe freedom creates opportunities but at the same time I don't think it fair when you pay nearly half your income to the government yet the government can't offer a decent health program for you where you don't risk losing everything if something happens to you. In the UK, everyone is taxed at 6% of their income for their social programs. This amount covers government housing, food and healthcare. What I don't get is how we already pay for food and housing with our taxes yet most people would jump at the chance to pay 6% of their yearly income for health insurance in this country. It would be a bargain for many. I know it would be for me. As producers, doesn't it make sense to take care of the very thing that makes us money? Seems the government should do the same rather than offering themselves a better more affordable deal than they do us. Are we all not equal or are they more valuable than us - the taxpayer?

The other major thing I think plays a big part of our problem is the breakdown of the family. Our current system rewards brood mares spitting out young'uns. This is foolish and these children lack direction.

Your last paragraph is what I have preached for years. Most of our social problems, whether crime, or lazy ness or breeding kids you cannot feed can be traced back to the breakdown of the family in my book. We were ment to have a mom and dad. Most kids suffer when one is lost, without either the results are usually not good.
 
Government wants to make everyone equal, you can not make everyone equal, How many stable families have you seen that have several kids who were raised basically in the same manner, but some grow into adulthood and become good citizens, while the sibling ends up a lower class person on drugs or in jail.
I know 4 Good stable families this has happened too.
 
I know no one wants to hear it, but my opinion is as the old saying goes, "live by the sword, die by the sword". There's a price to pay for everything and that's a fact. If I was assaulted and killed with a gun I'd feel most guilty about not be more aware so as to defend myself sooner. I do agree that there's a sense of hopelessness amongst some, and amongst others a sense of complacency that justifies using a gun in a violent way. I think we need to move forward and improve the economy to the point where there's a reason to go to work everyday, where there's a reason to stay out of prison. I also agree that family values have been degraded so far most people can't fathom caring about anyone but themselves. I had a funny experience today. While being a classic country and classic rock fan at heart I like to keep my mind open about music because it's such a basic form of expression and communication. I seen a interview with a famous rapper today and even he was talking about how the media and artists these days do nothing but degrade family values and promote evil. While the interview was a bit hypocritical because his songs are still about life in the hood, I though it was interesting that even someone in the industry has realized that it's gone too far.
 
I'm lost. Was the impetus for this thread the recent Oregon school shooting? If so, I don't get the connection about minorities or brood mares, etc etc. What I'm hearing is that it was another young (white) man with mental health issues (possibly with Asperger's), whose dolt of a parent (mother, in this instance) thought it a great idea to help a troubled young man get a bunch of guns. Much like the Newtown CT situation (Sandy Hook elementary school).

Do I have the facts wrong? Are not most/all of the recent "mass shooters" (school, church, movie theaters) young troubled white guys (and an Asian guy or two)?
 
boondocks":2ptcfoyh said:
I'm lost. Was the impetus for this thread the recent Oregon school shooting? If so, I don't get the connection about minorities or brood mares, etc etc. What I'm hearing is that it was another young (white) man with mental health issues (possibly with Asperger's), whose dolt of a parent (mother, in this instance) thought it a great idea to help a troubled young man get a bunch of guns. Much like the Newtown CT situation (Sandy Hook elementary school).

Do I have the facts wrong? Are not most/all of the recent "mass shooters" (school, church, movie theaters) young troubled white guys (and an Asian guy or two)?

boondocks, I ran across this essay the other day and even though the author wrote it in August of 2015, prior to the Oregon school shootings, I felt it best summed up how I was feeling at this time and every time there is another mass shooting.

Any and all subsequent postings by CT members are their thoughts and beliefs.
 
I just had a thought. I am not certain but historically deer season in Oregon opens up one week before deer season in Washington. That means that rifle deer season would be opening up this weekend. Obama is wanting to go to Roseburg on Friday. Half the population of Douglas County will be packing deer rifles. Do you see a conflict? A nightmare for Secret Service and security. And these people are going to go hunting. They don't care who is in town. He might want to cancel this visit.
 
boondocks":1bi4v3n0 said:
I'm lost. Was the impetus for this thread the recent Oregon school shooting? If so, I don't get the connection about minorities or brood mares, etc etc. What I'm hearing is that it was another young (white) man with mental health issues (possibly with Asperger's), whose dolt of a parent (mother, in this instance) thought it a great idea to help a troubled young man get a bunch of guns. Much like the Newtown CT situation (Sandy Hook elementary school).

Do I have the facts wrong? Are not most/all of the recent "mass shooters" (school, church, movie theaters) young troubled white guys (and an Asian guy or two)?

Why do you insist on bringing race in this? I hate to bust your bubble but blacks don't have a monopoly on brood mares. Our current system rewards such sorriness in any color. If it were a puppy farm or someone with to many animals they neglected people would be up in arms but not so with a poor child who is brought into the world without a family a chance at a decent life. No. We encourage that. Its sad.
 
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