Anyone Else Logging Their Land

[Crowderfarms]

Wondering if anyone else here is doing or having any Logging done on their place. Curious if your selling by the foot, or ton? And what kind of Timber. Doing shares or just selling outright?

 

[Bez]

We only log to clear the land - alway sell out right and use the money to turn it to pasture.

Bez

 

[Caustic Burno]

I am logging some right now. mainly oak flooring grade. Price finally got where it is worth it and I can always use more pasture, I am selling by the ton.

 

[cherokeeruby]

We have searched and searched for a logger, no one wants our trees, they aren't good for anything except pulp and we are too far from the mills.

 

[Crowderfarms]

We only log to clear the land - alway sell out right and use the money to turn it to pasture.

Bez

My main objective is to make more Pasture. But we have a lot of Poplars that were starting to go bad, and needed to be cut. Same goes for the White and Red Oaks. Only problem I can fore see will be the Dozer bill to push out the stumps. Going to push all the tops down in a Holler, to let the firewood boys have at it this Fall.

 

[Caustic Burno]

We only log to clear the land - alway sell out right and use the money to turn it to pasture.

Bez

My main objective is to make more Pasture. But we have a lot of Poplars that were starting to go bad, and needed to be cut. Same goes for the White and Red Oaks. Only problem I can fore see will be the Dozer bill to push out the stumps. Going to push all the tops down in a Holler, to let the firewood boys have at it this Fall.

Ya'll don't shear in that country, over here everyone brings in a D-8 or better and shears. It is smooth as ababys bottom and ready for planting the day he leaves.

 

[Crowderfarms]

We only log to clear the land - alway sell out right and use the money to turn it to pasture.

Bez

My main objective is to make more Pasture. But we have a lot of Poplars that were starting to go bad, and needed to be cut. Same goes for the White and Red Oaks. Only problem I can fore see will be the Dozer bill to push out the stumps. Going to push all the tops down in a Holler, to let the firewood boys have at it this Fall.

Ya'll don't shear in that country, over here everyone brings in a D-8 or better and shears. It is smooth as ababys bottom and ready for planting the day he leaves.

No Shears, just Stihl's best, and 2 skidders.And a Peterbilt in a pear Tree. Only fellers I know that shear, will rob you in a Heartbeat.

 

[Bez]

When we log - which is rare - we tend to seed the ground with a spray - just grass seed put into some type of slurry - truck mounted - and leave the stumps - within a couple of years the cattle have torn everything down and then we root out the more persistent stumps.

Grass comes fast and then we put the cattle in before the sucker trees get more than a foot high.

Takes about 5 years from logging to fairly smooth pasture - cheap too.

Too many rocks here to make it into smooth ground.

Putting cattle in right away keeps the sucker trees from coming up. Otherwise we are over run with 10 foot high tooth pick trees.

Bez

 

[jt]

for anyone logging, i would recommend getting several prices from loggers or companies... a few years back i cut seed trees left on about 65 acres... got estimates anywhere from 5-20 thousand..

finally sold to a paper company on a per ton basis for what they hauled out and got over 20 thousand.

jt

 

[Ryder]

for anyone logging, i would recommend getting several prices from loggers or companies... a few years back i cut seed trees left on about 65 acres... got estimates anywhere from 5-20 thousand..

finally sold to a paper company on a per ton basis for what they hauled out and got over 20 thousand.

jt

Agree with gettiing more than one quote. A professional forester may well be able to get you a better deal than you can get yourself.

 

[jt]

Agree with gettiing more than one quote. A professional forester may well be able to get you a better deal than you can get yourself.

i dont know ryder, maybe and maybe not... about 75 acres were logged behind me a couple of years ago... the owners lived out of state and had a land manager go out for bids...

they went thru my land, so i got to know them a little and actually sold a couple of truck loads myself...

trust me, the loggers came out very well on this one...

i dont know what consultants charge for this type service, but the owners didnt get much more than half of what was really there.

jt

 

[Crowderfarms]

Best thing to do is talk to others in your area that have had Timber cut. You'll find out in a hurry who you can trust. Or if you're lucky enough, you'll have close friends that are Loggers, like we have that you know are honest. Like in any occupation, there's good and bad. Here you can do it a couple of ways. Shares where you get 50% of the sales and Loggers get the other 50%. Or you can sell it outright.

 

[certherfbeef]

We are timbering the back side of the farm this year. Well, only about 30 acres. Actually traded the timber for lumber to build and re-build a few barns. No cash changes hands. Couple of loads of lumber are here and the first barn is being framed up. Hubby used to work for the company and they gave him a good price. More verneir logs than they origionally thought too. The rest is chipped and sent to Stone Container for paper. They are not to take the pine, that is winter cover for the cattle. Tree tops and all, they leave a mess...we know where to find them and it won't be pretty.

Be careful if dealing with the amish.

 

[Crowderfarms]

We are timbering the back side of the farm this year. Well, only about 30 acres. Actually traded the timber for lumber to build and re-build a few barns. No cash changes hands. Couple of loads of lumber are here and the first barn is being framed up. Hubby used to work for the company and they gave him a good price. More verneir logs than they origionally thought too. The rest is chipped and sent to Stone Container for paper. They are not to take the pine, that is winter cover for the cattle. Tree tops and all, they leave a mess...we know where to find them and it won't be pretty.

Be careful if dealing with the amish.

Cert, your last sentence is worth it's weight in Gold.

 

[certherfbeef]

We are timbering the back side of the farm this year. Well, only about 30 acres. Actually traded the timber for lumber to build and re-build a few barns. No cash changes hands. Couple of loads of lumber are here and the first barn is being framed up. Hubby used to work for the company and they gave him a good price. More verneir logs than they origionally thought too. The rest is chipped and sent to Stone Container for paper. They are not to take the pine, that is winter cover for the cattle. Tree tops and all, they leave a mess...we know where to find them and it won't be pretty.

Be careful if dealing with the amish.

Cert, your last sentence is worth it's weight in Gold.

There are bad apples in every bunch. Just seems to me that more amish I deal with the faster that bushel of apples goes bad.

 

[cowspider]

What is the consern with the dealing with amish???? I was lead to belivie they are hard working honest folks ??

 

[Muratic]

What is the consern with the dealing with amish???? I was lead to belivie they are hard working honest folks ??

you were lead the wrong direction. They will screw you faster than the goverment. I raise and sell draft horses to an amish community in PA. They will try anything to sucker you out of your money and anything they can. Cash only, and upfront when I deal with amish. Like certherfbeef said, some are better than others. But all are crooks.

 

[Crowderfarms]

What is the consern with the dealing with amish???? I was lead to belivie they are hard working honest folks ??

you were lead the wrong direction. They will screw you faster than the goverment. I raise and sell draft horses to an amish community in PA. They will try anything to sucker you out of your money and anything they can. Cash only, and upfront when I deal with amish. Like certherfbeef said, some are better than others. But all are crooks.

I was warned at an early age to not deal with them. Always told they'd rip you off in a NY minute. Found out the hard way. I have no respect for any group of people that are consumers of our rights, that don't pay income tax. They may be hard working folks, but they sure live in the stone age, and most dislike the rest of us. They are protected because they are a "Church". I think I'll start my own today. Wanna Join?

 

[milesvb]

I'm planning on getting someone to come in and cut cedar on our place. I called 3 or 4 different outfits and found one that makes cedar furniture not far from here. I don't have the prices in front of me but they pay two rates. One rate for logs (minimum 8' with 8" top) and another for trees down to two inches. Anything less than two inches my shredder will take care of. They did say the trees would need to have could heart or they couldn't use them. I was warned by another local to stay away from a particular logging company because they made such a mess on his property.

 

[EKUgrad]

I worked with my grandad for several years logging and running a little one man sawmill operation. This was from the late 80's through the late 90's, all in western KY. We routinely cut stuff on the half -- and I can assure you that we never got rich. If there was not at least some good red oak on the place, we often barely more than broke even (and I worked for room & board, no $$). This was at a time where diesel and gas were cheap and lumber in the log was selling good. Believe it or not, the prices have not gone up much, if any at all, on most timber. Sure, there are up and down times (poplar was bumping .80/bd ft for a while), but across the board it has been pretty stable.

And it is true that you need to know who you are dealing with. I can guarantee you that there are just as many crooks as honest guys logging -- with margins that low and the dangers of the trade, not to mention the fact that it is not the easiest of jobs, I have a hard time blaming them. The problem is that, if anyone came in and told you that they needed 60% to cover costs, they would be hard pressed to find any work at all.

BTW, we sold our logs to one local buyer predominantly. We always got two copies of the sale ticket, one for us and one for the landowner. We always sold on the half and I have never heard of selling it by the ton other than with pulpwood for paper.

One final suggestion. If you feel as if you have good timber (read many straight trees with no or very few branches with at least two good logs (20-24 ft) that measure 18+ inches at chest level (preferably 20+ inches), I would strongly suggest having the local forestry service do a timber survey which will give you an estimate of how many board feet that you have of which species. Check current prices and compare them to historical prices and only cut those that are at/near historical highs. Of course the more acres that you have the more this will pay off.