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Honestly I'd pass on the bull. He looks alright and the price isn't awful, but I refuse to settle on a bull. I know that most good bulls are gone this time a year, but I think you can still find a better bull.
 
Honestly I'd pass on the bull. He looks alright and the price isn't awful, but I refuse to settle on a bull. I know that most good bulls are gone this time a year, but I think you can still find a better bull.
Yeah, I might could find a better one, I have a friend here in the county that probably still has some younger bulls left. The one the age of the one pictured were pretty well picked over a couple months ago. I know their bulls would be ok.
Truth is any bull we find right now or if we choose to continue with our current BWF bull is all going to be settling for something.
I finally got the Hereford bull from the breeder that I've been wanting one from and the bull got hurt no fault of his own.
That breeder said they will have a few fall yearlings and then several yearlings for next spring. Hoping to get one of those when the time comes.
The bull pictured is from a family that are some of our closest friends. The young lady that has the bull is starting out in registered Angus, and we figure buying from her would help her out.
 
His EPD accuracies are low so of no benefit to me as a commercial breeder in making a selection. His pedigree looks solid. Would want to look at his sire and dam and get more information on them. Each breeder looks for something different. Looking at pedigree I would be concerned with his height and size. So would want too see the mature size of his sire and dam. Also how does his dam milk. Finding a bull that fits my criteria in our budget is hard to do currently. Why we have went to AIing. We can raise better bulls than we can buy. The best yearling we are using is one we raised.
 
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Short low growth cattle are discounted hard here. In this area a real good Hereford colored steer is docked 10-20 cents if sold separately. I try too sell them on groups of baldies and blacks. In this area once they reach feeder weights the groups can be mixed. Even Char crosses in some. Had a barn owner tell me that with the mover too heavier slaughter weights that those with less frame 5.0 and under are going to be docked even harder. We see the docks starting at a 5.5 frame in this area. Our goal is a 6.0 frame.
 
His EPD accuracies are low so of no benefit to me as a commercial breeder. His pedigree loss solid. Would want to look at his sire and dam and get more information on them. Each breeder looks for something different. Looking at pedigree I would be concerned with his height and size. So would want too see the mature size of his sire and dam. Also how does his dam milk. Finding a bull that fits my criteria in our budget is hard to do currently. Why we have went to AIing. We can raise better bulls than we can buy. The best yearling we are using is one we raised.
I tried a few years ago to maintain a small registered Angus herd, mainly to supply me with my own bulls.
Did AI for a few years and got to a point where we were getting very bad conception rates so stopped that.
I saw these calves shortly after weaning, and thought they were of decent size (average for Angus in this region, that is)
So I am thinking the mother of the bull is a decent milker.
 
I tried a few years ago to maintain a small registered Angus herd, mainly to supply me with my own bulls.
Did AI for a few years and got to a point where we were getting very bad conception rates so stopped that.
I saw these calves shortly after weaning, and thought they were of decent size (average for Angus in this region, that is)
So I am thinking the mother of the bull is a decent milker.
I would base the decision on what you have observed in this case. One reason I prefer buying from breeders in this area. I have an idea how they will do in our area.
I understand the low conception rates. We had it on cows in 22 and didn't AI in 23. Rates have been good on replacements. AIed replacements this year along with 3 Angus cows and 2 Herefords. Hoping to get either females too keep or possibly a bull too keep and use. IMO it would of cost us at least 7-8 thousand to buy a bull comparable to the yearling we raised. So that was incentive AI some cows again. Changed protocols. We will see. Hoping the Herefords settled.
 
The EPD's aren't real impressive, but I've never been impressed with EPD's.
I've been out of the registered Angus circles for a while so not up on the popular genetics.
EPD is as good as the people u are dealing with. But they are the best thing that angus reg. cattle got going for them . Lets say u got in ur cows u would like to get rid of how can u tell with out EPD that ur not bring it or something in your u really dont want like no milk and or bad feet . or worse yet no growth its a good tool to learn how to use.
 
Pictures usually don't do an animal justice. It's hard to get all the right angles and such unless you're a professional and take multiple pictures . If you post a picture of a bull on here you'll never get a 100% position response. Someone will always see something they don't like . My 2 cents is if the price is right and you think he'll help you go for it .
 
Pictures usually don't do an animal justice. It's hard to get all the right angles and such unless you're a professional and take multiple pictures . If you post a picture of a bull on here you'll never get a 100% position response. Someone will always see something they don't like . My 2 cents is if the price is right and you think he'll help you go for it .
Stupid spell check : should read 100 % positive response
 
Stupid spell check : should read 100 % positive response
I reckon either word would work in that context.
And I agree, everybody isn't going to agree on it. No animal is perfect, there's always going to be flaws. I just kind of like to post things to get a feel for what others think. When I'm looking at the animals in person I'm trying to see as much as I can and trying to come up with a pick between animals.
I tend to focus on a few things and maybe not notice something else that others might.
Kind of helps me to add to a mental list of things to consider and watch for going forward.
 
I think he will grow into a pretty handy bull. The young lady that bred him though is not doing herself any favours by breeding from cows that are going to produce EPD's like that. It is hard to break into selling bulls and whether you like EPD's or not she is going to limit her selling opportunities with figures like that. People remember too and won't come back as they perceive all bulls from this breeder will have low figures. This is not to say that there is anything wrong with these bulls and the progeny they produce and the cows, it is the figures so you might as well start with something more marketable.

Ken
 
I think he will grow into a pretty handy bull. The young lady that bred him though is not doing herself any favours by breeding from cows that are going to produce EPD's like that. It is hard to break into selling bulls and whether you like EPD's or not she is going to limit her selling opportunities with figures like that. People remember too and won't come back as they perceive all bulls from this breeder will have low figures. This is not to say that there is anything wrong with these bulls and the progeny they produce and the cows, it is the figures so you might as well start with something more marketable.

Ken
I agree with your assessment.
I told my wife, some similar statements regarding their program.
They have just a small number of cows and I believe those have all come from fairly local breeders around them including a very well known longtime breeding program in their county.
That outfit has typically been known for a certain type of cattle and has been very successful with it. in recent years they have been AI breeding and the numbers have improved.
My belief is that this young lady and her family would be well spent to AI their cows and bring in a bull from a more recognizable program to clean up.
On the other hand I understand that situations don't always allow us to do everything that others think we should, but I do agree with you that there is a need to offer competitive genetics.
 
Truth is any bull we find right now or if we choose to continue with our current BWF bull is all going to be settling for something.
Trying to throw a ray of sunshine here. You may remember my freaking awesome new heifer bull that got struck by lightning after having him all of 3 weeks? Only other bull my breeder had left was Woody. Definitely not a heifer bull and let's face it, not "front pasture" in looks, EPD's more terminal, which is why he still had him. I love that bull!! Who turned 6 in January and has almost bumped Dick as my all-time fave bull.

Gotta be honest, not a fan of your prospect. But that's just on paper and a pic, which is only a small portion of the entire genetic makeup, docility, probability, potential profitability, etc.

Trust your gut!!
 
I think for 15 months he is not a bad bull. I will admit, with that picture I don't like him for 4k though.. For that budget you could get a really nice Gizmo bull and that is delivered.

I should be more clear, that is not delivered but delivery was only a few hundred more. It was significantly cheaper than what I thought it would cost from Florida to here.
 

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