Amazing!

[Medic24]

Been babying a heifer of ours for weeks, as she was so huge she looked like she would explode from within carrying her first calf.......... finally yesterday morning we went up to check on her once more , and she was away from the herd a bit, thus an obvious sign that we had missed the main event....... but she came up to us, put her nose right into our face, and then proceeded to walk around the hill, looking back to make sure we were following, she took us right to the most beautiful jet black and perfect sized, healthy angus heifer calf I have ever seen come out of a first timer......... makes me think that our mineral and feed program is really working. Not to mention the frequent grooming No. 1 gives her. Now if we can only keep the yotes away from her till she gets a bit older! :cboy:

 

[Medic24]

Should have never ever even typed anything about this calf.

Just after signing off this afternoon, I went out to check on our cattle, and this calf.

I found her with the a$$ end eaten out of her, she was sucking on her mother like nothing had ever happened. Vet said not to waste my time with even trying... Shot her with a lot of anger building inside. I am so pissed right now.

I had to think back..... in the past year, I have had 2 out of 3 calves killed by coyotes within the first month. I found the foot prints in the soft ground where they came through the fence. a small hole seems to be enuff.

How can I kill these damned things?

 

[CKC1586]

I am so sorry you lost your calf. Don't know the answer to the coyote problem, but it sure is a growing one in many states. There has been alot said about donkeys, dogs, traps etc. but I think there needs to be an open season on them! There has been a guy trying to trap them on my brothers farm and they are smart to the traps, he catches coons and woodchucks. They keep the barn cats thinned out. We bring the cows up to the barn to calve. Yotes have only gotten one calf thank goodness and that was in the back pasture. We try to keep the pairs close to the house.

 

[stocky]

i am really sorry to hear about that calf. it would be nice to kill all those coyotes. i have neighbors who are very good at calling them and killing them and other neighbors who run them with dogs and there is an open season on them for about 10 months out of the year here and even with all that, we still have them.
one thing that seemed to help some was last fall i bought 9 llamas. gave a total of about 1000 dollars for them. split them up into 1 or 2 in 6 different pastures. we havent had coyotes hanging out in the fields since then. we still hear them at night, but only for a short time. i think the llamas are helping---i cant say that i have seen them chase coyotes or fight coyotes but i have seen them chase neighbors dogs out of the pasture----might be worth a try for you

 

[Crowderfarms]

Medic, IF you can see where they have made a trail, through a fence for instance,get your hand on some snares. THEY WORK, Game Warden friend of mine caught 2 last week, also ended up with a pair of Bobcats too.

 

[preston39]

i am really sorry to hear about that calf. it would be nice to kill all those coyotes. i have neighbors who are very good at calling them and killing them and other neighbors who run them with dogs and there is an open season on them for about 10 months out of the year here and even with all that, we still have them.
one thing that seemed to help some was last fall i bought 9 llamas. gave a total of about 1000 dollars for them. split them up into 1 or 2 in 6 different pastures. we havent had coyotes hanging out in the fields since then. we still hear them at night, but only for a short time. i think the llamas are helping---i cant say that i have seen them chase coyotes or fight coyotes but i have seen them chase neighbors dogs out of the pasture----might be worth a try for you

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stocky,

How old are the LLamas?

We need to learn more on this because I just read today that we have another BIGGER ONE on the way.... Cougars. I think we are next eastward for those suckers. As if the yotes are not enough!!!

How are Llamas with them...any idea? Do you folks have a significant problem with Cougars yet?

The comments were by Clay Nielson, a wildlife ecologist at SIU carbondale so they must be near you. He said several males had been spotted east of the known areas of Texas and Oklahoma....wasn't specific on the location ...but, added several males have been spotted east..mid west states... and they usually serves as a early warning because they are territorial and the males are driven out first...with the younger females dispersing....soon.

The biblical 24 hour shepherd concept...is becoming more understood.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Never seen coyotes or dogs eat the ass out of one and it live to suck.
Sounds more like buzzards as they love to go for eyeballs and ass.
Yall need to learn your preditors yotes are not responsible for a lot of cattle deaths they are blamed for.

 

[Caustic Burno]

If it was buzzards they usually develop a high fever and die

 

[jerry27150]

sorry for your loss. cows here have to learn to protect their own as there are yotes all over. if one cows bawls they all come running

 

[Caustic Burno]

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ws/researchre ... eport4.pdf

 

[frenchie]

Dogone anyways nothing like bad luck.Hang in there bud.Do you get any compensation for wildlife predation there?

 

[msscamp]

i am really sorry to hear about that calf. it would be nice to kill all those coyotes. i have neighbors who are very good at calling them and killing them and other neighbors who run them with dogs and there is an open season on them for about 10 months out of the year here and even with all that, we still have them.
one thing that seemed to help some was last fall i bought 9 llamas. gave a total of about 1000 dollars for them. split them up into 1 or 2 in 6 different pastures. we havent had coyotes hanging out in the fields since then. we still hear them at night, but only for a short time. i think the llamas are helping---i cant say that i have seen them chase coyotes or fight coyotes but i have seen them chase neighbors dogs out of the pasture----might be worth a try for you

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stocky,



How old are the LLamas?

We need to learn more on this because I just read today that we have another BIGGER ONE on the way.... Cougars. I think we are next eastward for those suckers. As if the yotes are not enough!!!

How are Llamas with them...any idea? Do you folks have a significant problem with Cougars yet?

The comments were by Clay Nielson, a wildlife ecologist at SIU carbondale so they must be near you. He said several males had been spotted east of the known areas of Texas and Oklahoma....wasn't specific on the location ...but, added several males have been spotted east..mid west states... and they usually serves as a early warning because they are territorial and the males are driven out first...with the younger females dispersing....soon.

The biblical 24 hour shepherd concept...is becoming more understood.

You can believe me or disbelieve me as you see fit, but we had a cougar roaming the ranch for many years and we never lost a calf or cow to him/her. Where we are now, there is a cougar that wanders through every so often, and we haven't lost a cow or calf to him/her either. Maybe this is unusal, but its the truth. And I know for a fact they were cougars because I encountered them both. Up close and personal, so to speak.

 

[msscamp]

Should have never ever even typed anything about this calf.

Just after signing off this afternoon, I went out to check on our <a href="http://cattletoday.com">cattle</a>, and this calf.

I found her with the a$$ end eaten out of her, she was sucking on her mother like nothing had ever happened. Vet said not to waste my time with even trying... Shot her with a lot of anger building inside. I am so be nice right now.

I had to think back..... in the past year, I have had 2 out of 3 calves killed by coyotes within the first month. I found the foot prints in the soft ground where they came through the fence. a small hole seems to be enuff.

How can I kill these damned things?

Medic,

I am very sorry about your calf. We used to have a coyote problem on the ranch. Dad hired a trapper and he was very effective in cutting down the numbers dramatically. It was not advisable to get downwind of him (or even very close), but he was very, very good at his job. Might that be a possibility for you? It really helped us.

 

[TheBullLady]

Medic,

I am so sorry for your loss! I can only imagine the frustration you are going through.

Is there any way you can pen your cows / heifers when they are close to calving, or get them up close to the house? Shine a light in the pens? Heifers tend to be stupid sometimes with calves and will wander off to eat, leaving the calves unattended.

I would contact the extension or USDA office and see if they have any recommendations. Here in Texas 'yotes are open season.. and there are a lot of guys around that are good at trapping them.

The snares DO work very well. When we still had our other place and were having trouble, we snared all the areas of the fence that had trails. We snared 13 'yotes / dogs in 2 weeks.

 

[Rafter E]

We have mountain lions and coyotes here on our place. In the last year we have lost one calf,out of about 100. It had been attacked after its mama bloated and died. We have a Llama and while its no match for a cat, it will kill a dog or coyote in a flash, fun to have around too. The cats eat the rabbits mostly, and a few deer. They cause no trouble at all. If anyone needs protection from coyotes...Llamas are cheap, maintenance-free and very effective.

 

[stocky]

the llamas range from 1 1/2 years old to 8 years old. the llamas that are at least 3 are much better at being aggressive with the dogs from what i have seen. i was told that when you first get a llama, pen it in a small pen in the field with the cows for few days, that conditions it to guard those cows. then turn it out with the herd. also, only put one llama in the field if it is a male or you can put as many as 2 females. if you put more in the same field, they bunch up and forget the cows. i dont know if this is true or not, but something is working, it looks like, since i got the llamas---i would guess that cats would overmatch them.
cats are starting to appear in our area. a guy i know about 7 miles from me had a cow with a beautiful pair of twin calves. when they were a week old one of them disappeared. he never found a trace of the calf. a week later, the other disappeared. he found it hanging in a tree fork about 10 feet off the ground partially eaten. i dont know of anything that would do that other than a cat

 

[rgv4]

Never seen coyotes or dogs eat the ass out of one and it live to suck.
Sounds more like buzzards as they love to go for eyeballs and ass.
Yall need to learn your preditors yotes are not responsible for a lot of cattle deaths they are blamed for.

Buzzard's my back side. I think that Medic can tell the difference between a buzzard track and a coyote track.

Since it was eaten in the back end, more than likely it was a young coyote pup.

http://www.sheepscreek.com/rural/pred.html

Read down some on this, it talks about the different predators and how they take down livestock.



On another note, you are really starting to sound like someone else. Could it be? Hmmmmmm

 

[Medic24]

This as many recall is unfortunately not my first encounter with coyotes, and I did send pics to prove it. We dont have buzzards around here.

The calf was found penned up in the corner of the fence, typical behavior for a coyote to do here..
Remember the debate we had aabout a month ago regarding the eastern Coyote vs. the western coyotes.... seems a big difference in size , and hunting habits.

Plenty of small yotes tracks around to see the difference.

Unfortuntately, snares are illegal here, and although i have 'seen' them used, the only thing that seems to happen is we, err I mean they catch the feral hogs and the fences get ripped out.

I am about one more incident like this from throwing in the towel. I want to raise cattle for human consumption, not to feed the predators.

I just hope no one around here gets in my way over the next few days. Cus my cheerios have definately been peeid in, even my wife is keeping her distance at the moment, I am having a hard time with the fact that there is no solution to this problem that is cut and dried.

 

[Crowderfarms]

Medic,
Hell with the N.C. Law on snares. If you have a problem and it will help end it use snares. I'm not a law breaker but if coyotes are such a threat there do what you gotta do. TN. laws cover the Farmer and Rancher pretty good,If Dogs are getting into your stock, you can KILL them, have to be on your property,Coyotes are open season 24/7.You should be able to get a waiver from the wildlife folks in your area. We can here. I realize the Hogs might curtail your efforts.Someone told me that somewhere in Indiana, there was a bounty of 10 bucks per Coyote, we need that a few more places.

 

[stocky]

medic, since you have a small number of cows, i would definitely suggest getting an adult male llama. with that number, i believe he would stay right with them and protect those babies. i am not an expert on llamas, but the coyotes and dogs dont hang out in my pastures since i added them