john250
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OK, he was wrong to refuse service, and to join a hate group, but he was simply the greatest heavyweight ever. "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee". RIP Champ.
ALI, the Greatest
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inyati13
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Frank Sinatra, My Way.
Ali did it his way.
Ali did it his way.
Son of Butch
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Actually the law of our land ruled in his favor, so as a conscientious objector how was he wrong?
When asked about his low IQ test score he replied, "I said I was the greatest, not the smartest."
When asked about his low IQ test score he replied, "I said I was the greatest, not the smartest."
JMJ Farms
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Hate to be objective but my vote for the greatest heavyweight goes to Rocky Marciano. He beat everybody he ever fought.
inyati13
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JMJ Farms":mgefhzt7 said:
I don't know how much boxing you watched but Ali would have killed him. Foreman was better too.
JMJ Farms
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inyati13":1irj4syn said:
Strictly speculation. (All in fun bc we will never know). This is strictly fictional but it's worth a look. Marciano wins in 13th round.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Super_Fight
Some folks think Tyson was the greatest heavyweight. Much ado about nothing really- he was born, he fought, he died. Plenty of soldiers all over the world do the same, just fight under much higher stakes.
cowboy43
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Good boxer that was a loud mouth , never had much respect for him.
Nesikep
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Different class, and I haven't seen a lot of Ali fights, but a friend of mine gave me a whole pile of boxing videos once... De La Hoya and others... I found watching Manny Paquiao fight was a breath of fresh air.. In his fights they didn't spend half the time hugging each other.
Regardless of what you think of Ali (yeah, a mouthpiece), The sport is better for him having been in it, and it was good entertainment (Read: Entertainment.. Not something you get worked up about)
Regardless of what you think of Ali (yeah, a mouthpiece), The sport is better for him having been in it, and it was good entertainment (Read: Entertainment.. Not something you get worked up about)
JMJ Farms":1sccbwdy said:
Clearly.
Hard to claim to be the best when you got beaten 5 times.
dun":hk3x5ft6 said:
or any sport for that matter.
I don't think it's fair to say who could beat whom, you just have to look at their record when they played (or fought) and decide based on the facts. Joe Louis was a wrecking machine himself in his time.
sim.-ang.king
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Frank Dux would have knocked out all three of them out in .12 seconds. :lol:inyati13":2enpllsk said:
dun":1h7cod90 said:
And that's all that matters. It's stupid to compare athletes of different eras against one another.
JMJ Farms
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Ain't got nothing to do with Ali but IMO the best fight I ever saw was Arturo Gatti and Irish Mickey Ward (the first fight). Looked like a Rocky movie starring welterweights. Never seen two people fight that hard for that long.
Son of Butch
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Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns (aka the Motor City Cobra) vs Marvelous Marvin Hagler in 1985 was a hellva fight.
Tommy Hearns 40-1 with 34 KOs
vs
Marvelous Marvin Hagler 60-2-2
Round 1 was the most exciting round of boxing I have ever seen.... both men going toe to toe trading blows.
It was later revealed that Hearns broke his hand in round 1.
Hagler was cut and covered in blood when he stopped Hearns in round 3.
Tommy Hearns 40-1 with 34 KOs
vs
Marvelous Marvin Hagler 60-2-2
Round 1 was the most exciting round of boxing I have ever seen.... both men going toe to toe trading blows.
It was later revealed that Hearns broke his hand in round 1.
Hagler was cut and covered in blood when he stopped Hearns in round 3.
Clodhopper
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I believe, in his prime, Iron Mike would have destroyed anyone in history in a boxing match. He was near unstoppable.
Son of Butch
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I almost thought Tyson was that good too...but getting knocked out by Buster Douglas ended that delusion.
The man had 9 kids with four different women despite claims of devout religiosity. His faith forbade him from serving his country but did not factor into the boring stuff like being a good husband and father.
From a moral standpoint he isn't in the same pantheon of a Joe Louis. Hard to compare but when Iron Mike lived with that old white guy there wasn't a fighter on earth who could handle him.
But Ali was the greatest self promoter, and the prototype of today's ME! MY! MINE! culture.
From a moral standpoint he isn't in the same pantheon of a Joe Louis. Hard to compare but when Iron Mike lived with that old white guy there wasn't a fighter on earth who could handle him.
But Ali was the greatest self promoter, and the prototype of today's ME! MY! MINE! culture.
