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[Hpacres440p]

We have the black headed vultures too.

Do you have a pic of a Mexican buzzard?

The black headed vulture is what we call Mexican buzzards. Caracaras are the Mexican eagle (at least around here). Red headed vultures are just turkey vultures or regular buzzards.
Just saying that the caracaras aren’t the ones doing the damage (at least in my area).

 

[EasTex]

Seems like I don’t see as many turkey buzzards as I use to. Way too many black headed ones. Wonder if those things are cross breeding…

 

[Hpacres440p]

Seems like I don’t see as many turkey buzzards as I use to. Way too many black headed ones. Wonder if those things are cross breeding…

Probably more aggressive and starving out the less aggressive kind. Or pushing them out of nesting areas

 

[Caustic Burno]

Probably more aggressive and starving out the less aggressive kind. Or pushing them out of nesting areas

You’re correct on the behavior towards the turkey buzzard.
Both are vultures difference is the Mexican will actively kill that’s not the turkeys MO.
The Mexican will drive the turkey off from kills.
I have been amazed to watch the Mexican stream in .
The Mexican/Black vulture is listed under both names.
Only the turkey vulture hunts by smell and sight the Mexican has learned to utilize them.
As they are sight hunters.

 

[Hpacres440p]

You’re correct on the behavior towards the turkey buzzard.
Both are vultures difference is the Mexican will actively kill that’s not the turkeys MO.
The Mexican will drive the turkey off from kills.
I have been amazed to watch the Mexican stream in .
The Mexican/Black vulture is listed under both names.
Only the turkey vulture hunts by smell and sight the Mexican has learned to utilize them.
As they are sight hunters.

Wonder when the powers that be will put turkey vultures on the endangered list and let the black-headed be considered vermin?

 

[Lee VanRoss]

You’re correct on the behavior towards the turkey buzzard.
Both are vultures difference is the Mexican will actively kill that’s not the turkeys MO.
The Mexican will drive the turkey off from kills.
I have been amazed to watch the Mexican stream in .
The Mexican/Black vulture is listed under both names.
Only the turkey vulture hunts by smell and sight the Mexican has learned to utilize them.
As they are sight hunters.

It's geo-genetic as well. The ground vultures crossing the Rio are also sight hunters.

 

[Walking W]

I keep a lh/char cross every year for a beef. Wife likes the 3 lh cows for pasture pictures and friends and family likes to come out and feed them cubes. I decided to use the cross for beef and to be honest they make some of the best burger, roast and brisket we have had. The lh in them does somehow make them get aggressive when you feed them out. From 120 days in lot on you don’t get in the pen. It’s not just cattle though. Grew up showing and racing horses. I just hated riding dads halter horses. Fed up all the time and they got jumpy and aggressive too. Just can’t trust a fat and happy animal of that size

Haven't fed one out in years, but always gave them Jolly Balls and empty tubs to play with, especially if it was just one. I'd have to retrieve the Jolly Balls from the alfalfa field every day, but it really did keep him/them entertained and were easy to be around, not aggressive at all.

Thanks!

I hadn't thought about it until reading your reply but , when i feed one out, I use an automatic feeder and don't have routine contact with the steer. I will use your idea of something for them to play with the next time I feed one out.

 

[crossbreed]

Game wardens will tell you the Mexican buzzards are like the axis deer that are not native to our state. No season or protection if I’ve been told right

 

[EasTex]

Game wardens will tell you the Mexican buzzards are like the axis deer that are not native to our state. No season or protection if I’ve been told right

Good to know!

 

[Hpacres440p]

Game wardens will tell you the Mexican buzzards are like the axis deer that are not native to our state. No season or protection if I’ve been told right

Game wardens will tell you the Mexican buzzards are like the axis deer that are not native to our state. No season or protection if I’ve been told right

Incorrect, unfortunately. Need a permit, they are a protected species.

 

[farmerjan]

The black or Mexican buzzards are still on the protected list due to falling under the migratory species act... BUT.... due to their predation of livestock, and becoming nuisances around towns and cities etc... many states can and will issue permits to destroy a certain number of them. They are becoming one of the worst of the predators of livestock.... they will attack a cow while calving before she can get up and clean or protect her calf... they will go after sheep that are lambing and peck out their eyes and then eat them from the anus and it is really bad. They will attack a calf that is weak from something like scours...
Most game wardens and animal control type people will "not see it" if a farmer kills one or some that are attacking livestock but LEGALLY they are still protected. It is a little bit of a process to get the permit, but it is getting easier and more common in more and more states.

They are the sorriest meanest nastiest of all winged predators.

The reason that many of the turkey buzzards are disappearing from areas where these move in, is because they will crowd out the less aggressive turkey buzzards from kill cleanup, and they will also destroy eggs in nests and have been known to lay their eggs in other nests on occasion...

 

[EasTex]

I would think you could protect your investment/livelihood during calving season, without repercussion from the law.

 

[50/50Farms]

You can do all kinds of stuff if you don't tell everyone.

 

[EasTex]

BINGO!

 

[chaded]

After trying multiple methods of harassment these are the steps here for a permit. I don‘t have time for all that. Also, the after the first permit I would have to pay $100 for each one after. I have a much quicker and cheaper way to deal with it.

1. Livestock producers experiencing black vulture depredation or who have aggressive black vultures harassing livestock should call the WS Ohio office 1-866-4USDAWS (1-866-487-3297) or (614) 993-3444.
2. WS recommends that the producer take several digital photos of the injured/killed livestock and the vultures, as soon as they are discovered.
3. WS provides a permit application and instructions to the producer electronically (email or fax). If the producer does not have access to email or fax, they can contact their local county Soil and Water Conservation District (SWCD) office to assist with the application and computer/fax access. NOTE: All livestock producers with black vulture problems who apply for this initial permit are excluded from paying the $100 application fee to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS). The Ohio Division of Wildlife has set up a fund to pay for first-time permits. If producers need a permit in subsequent years, the $100 renewal fee will be the responsibility of the producer.
4. The producer returns the completed application and any other supporting documents (i.e. pictures, investigation report completed by SWCD specialist or county wildlife officer) back to WS electronically.
5. WS reviews the application to ensure it is completed correctly and generate a WS Form 37 as required.
6. After the WS Form 37 is generated, WS submits the completed application package to USFWS Region 3 Bird Permitting office, on behalf of the producer.
7. Once received, USFWS reviews the application, WS Form 37 and any supporting documents. Generally, a Federal Migratory Bird Depredation Permit will be issued within 1-3 business days and sent back to the producer or SWCD specialist via email. If the SWCD office is assisting, the SWCD specialist will notify the producer that the permit has been issued and is available for pick up at the local SWCD county office.

 

[gcreekrch]

After trying multiple methods of harassment these are the steps here for a permit. I don‘t have time for all that. Also, the after the first permit I would have to pay $100 for each one after. I have a much quicker and cheaper way to deal with it.

1. Livestock producers experiencing black vulture depredation or who have aggressive black vultures harassing livestock should call the WS Ohio office 1-866-4USDAWS (1-866-487-3297) or (614) 993-3444.
2. WS recommends that the producer take several digital photos of the injured/killed livestock and the vultures, as soon as they are discovered.
3. WS provides a permit application and instructions to the producer electronically (email or fax). If the producer does not have access to email or fax, they can contact their local county Soil and Water Conservation District (SWCD) office to assist with the application and computer/fax access. NOTE: All livestock producers with black vulture problems who apply for this initial permit are excluded from paying the $100 application fee to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS). The Ohio Division of Wildlife has set up a fund to pay for first-time permits. If producers need a permit in subsequent years, the $100 renewal fee will be the responsibility of the producer.
4. The producer returns the completed application and any other supporting documents (i.e. pictures, investigation report completed by SWCD specialist or county wildlife officer) back to WS electronically.
5. WS reviews the application to ensure it is completed correctly and generate a WS Form 37 as required.
6. After the WS Form 37 is generated, WS submits the completed application package to USFWS Region 3 Bird Permitting office, on behalf of the producer.
7. Once received, USFWS reviews the application, WS Form 37 and any supporting documents. Generally, a Federal Migratory Bird Depredation Permit will be issued within 1-3 business days and sent back to the producer or SWCD specialist via email. If the SWCD office is assisting, the SWCD specialist will notify the producer that the permit has been issued and is available for pick up at the local SWCD county office.

Those behind a desk have nothing but time…..

 

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[simme]

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Would take a brave man to gather the eggs from the nest of that chicken.

 

[Ky hills]

Years ago we just had were the red headed turkey vultures. Then ever once in a while you’d see a black headed one. Over time the black headed ones have become much more common and now they are the vast majority of buzzards around.
They are here year round and cause problems year round. We’ve had as much trouble with them in the dead of winter as in the summer.
They roost in large groups, it should be embarrassing for our county and city but there has been a large roost in the trees in the city cemetery, and another at a utility substation. Lot of times you see them flying by one after another large numbers of 50 or more.
We’ve found over 20 on the ground circled around cows with new calves. If there is no intervention then the cows just wear themselves out trying to protect their calf and eventually can’t hold them off.

 

[Brute 23]

IF a cow calves in the open it can be a problem but most will calve in the brush and I don't see them near as bad there.